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Dear DNSOP,

About 2.5 years ago, we introduced a small addition to our domain lookup 
tool: a “for sale” indicator when a domain is known to be available for 
purchase.

Example:
https://www.sidn.nl/en/whois?q=example.nl

We saw potential for broader use, so I documented the concept in an I-D, 
with the intended status: Informational.

Fast forward to today: the idea still works well in production.

I recently revised and re-submitted the draft, with a more serious 
intent of pursuing RFC publication.

I initially considered the independent stream to be the most appropriate 
route, given that the document is not a standards-track proposal per se, 
but rather describes a practical mechanism that might evolve into a 'de 
facto' standard.

An early review by DNSDIR (thanks, James Gannon!) was generally 
positive. However, the reviewer recommended bringing the work to DNSOP 
for community discussion and *possible* standardisation — arguing, as I 
do, that it may see broad adoption.

That advice caught me a bit by surprise. It’s encouraging, but it also 
changes the path forward.

Hence this email.

The draft:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-davids-forsalereg/

A *slightly* newer version:
https://check.sidnlabs.nl/marco/rfc/draft-davids-forsalereg.html

The review:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-davids-forsalereg/reviewrequest/22191/

I’d really appreciate your initial thoughts on whether this work belongs 
in DNSOP - and if so, how best to proceed.

Thanks in advance!

Best regards,

-- 
Marco Davids
SIDN (.nl registry)

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