Re: Should a nameserver know about itself?
Bill Woodcock <woody@zocalo.net> Wed, 09 May 2001 08:50 UTC
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Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 01:26:36 -0700
From: Bill Woodcock <woody@zocalo.net>
To: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>
cc: Bruce Campbell <bruce.campbell@apnic.net>, dnsop@cafax.se
Subject: Re: Should a nameserver know about itself?
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On Wed, 9 May 2001, Randy Bush wrote: > > Is the assumption that a nameserver should have information about itself > > correct? > no. > analogy: i have phone directories in my house, but i happen not to have one > for the town in which my house is situated. So, as an ignorant layer-2/layer-3 person stretching to understand this layer-5 DNS stuff, lemme see if I can render that as an example rather than an analogy: APNIC delegates 2.0.0.0/16 to Foo-ISP: $ORIGIN 2.in-addr.arpa. 0 IN SOA 0.2.in-addr.arpa root.apnic.net n n n n n IN NS ns.apnic.net. $ORIGIN 0.2.in-addr.arpa. 0 IN NS ns2.foo-isp.net. ns2.foo-isp.net has a zone file for 0.0.2.in-addr.arpa: $ORIGIN 0.2.in-addr.arpa. 0 IN SOA 0.0.2.in-addr.arpa root.foo-isp.net n n n n n IN NS ns2.foo-isp.net. $ORIGIN 0.0.2.in-addr.arpa. 0 IN PTR host0.foo-isp.net. 1 IN PTR host1.foo-isp.net. 254 IN PTR host254.foo-isp.net. 255 IN PTR host255.foo-isp.net. However, ns2.foo-isp.net's IP address is 1.0.2.1, and it isn't authoritative for either the 2.0.1.in-addr.arpa. zone or the foo-isp.net. zone, those are both held by ns1.foo-isp.net, whose IP address is 1.0.1.1: $ORIGIN net. foo-isp IN SOA foo-isp.net root.foo-isp.net n n n n n IN NS ns1.foo-isp.net. $ORIGIN foo-isp.net. ns1 IN A 1.0.1.1 ns2 IN A 1.0.2.1 $ORIGIN 0.1.in-addr.arpa. 1 IN SOA 1.0.1.in-addr.arpa root.foo-isp.net n n n n n IN NS ns1.foo-isp.net. 2 IN SOA 2.0.1.in-addr.arpa root.foo-isp.net n n n n n IN NS ns1.foo-isp.net. $ORIGIN 1.0.1.in-addr.arpa. 1 IN PTR ns1.foo-isp.net. $ORIGIN 2.0.1.in-addr.arpa. 1 IN PTR ns2.foo-isp.net. So ns1.foo-isp.net would know about itself, but ns2.foo-isp.net would not know anything at all about itself beyond the fact that "ns2.foo-isp.net" was the data of an NS record in its zone file. Both would be properly configured. Is that right? -Bill
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