Re: [DNSOP] CloudFlare policy on ANY records changing

Paul Vixie <paul@redbarn.org> Wed, 11 March 2015 23:35 UTC

Return-Path: <paul@redbarn.org>
X-Original-To: dnsop@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: dnsop@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF86A1A8980 for <dnsop@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 11 Mar 2015 16:35:18 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.91
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e-KNCzzPzrPA for <dnsop@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 11 Mar 2015 16:35:17 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from family.redbarn.org (family.redbarn.org [24.104.150.213]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D25C31A897E for <dnsop@ietf.org>; Wed, 11 Mar 2015 16:35:17 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from [192.168.11.20] (OFSfx-10p4-231.ppp11.odn.ad.jp [39.2.176.231]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by family.redbarn.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7C6001814C; Wed, 11 Mar 2015 23:35:17 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <5500D12E.20407@redbarn.org>
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 07:35:10 +0800
From: Paul Vixie <paul@redbarn.org>
User-Agent: Postbox 3.0.11 (Windows/20140602)
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Tony Finch <dot@dotat.at>
References: <35E6FB76-9751-41A4-BF6B-38A8F0BFF82E@puck.nether.net> <54F9FBB7.6080109@redbarn.org> <CAGmQtQJrpx_XG_OJTShsW5YqAeFKZwdMa16XW7iry9PR0_FT+A@mail.gmail.com> <20150310025859.8A04D2B21054@rock.dv.isc.org> <CAGmQtQJta4EXRD4pLOk=xVH0dGirHeb=edkPTMWLmKXBcBVK0Q@mail.gmail.com> <5B445B49-BA18-493A-A1EA-DC90C7C6D7AE@vpnc.org> <21759.4545.472775.866594@tale.kendall.corp.akamai.com> <F6A39307-6C8F-4FD5-8CAD-97775C5276A9@vpnc.org> <0A8D7AE0-B6FF-4B85-A42B-4EBF93A17873@verisign.com> <54FF86CB.7010705@redbarn.org> <20150311015710.GB10189@isc.org> <alpine.LSU.2.00.1503111205440.10193@hermes-1.csi.cam.ac.uk>
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LSU.2.00.1503111205440.10193@hermes-1.csi.cam.ac.uk>
X-Enigmail-Version: 1.2.3
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000402070103060204030308"
Archived-At: <http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dnsop/CJhZZAczGUHn87SEIN86DmIXA8k>
Cc: Evan Hunt <each@isc.org>, dnsop <dnsop@ietf.org>, "Wessels, Duane" <dwessels@verisign.com>
Subject: Re: [DNSOP] CloudFlare policy on ANY records changing
X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list <dnsop.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/dnsop>, <mailto:dnsop-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/dnsop/>
List-Post: <mailto:dnsop@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:dnsop-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop>, <mailto:dnsop-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2015 23:35:19 -0000


Tony Finch wrote:
> Evan Hunt <each@isc.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm concerned that a NOERROR/NODATA for qtype=ANY, once cached, would be
>> > identical to the cache representation of an empty nonterminal node, and
>> > that all subsequent queries for any other qtype would then be answered
>> > with the cached NODATA.
>
> These are signed zones so the answer has to validate. Perhaps the answer
> should be just the NSEC(3) and RRSIG(NSEC(3)) records matching the QNAME,
> which is a plausible way to say, yes we have records here even though this
> answer doesn't contain them.

i love this plan.

-- 
Paul Vixie