Re: [DNSOP] DNS versioning, was The DNSOP WG has placed draft-woodworth-bulk-rr in state "Candidate for WG Adoption"

"Woodworth, John R" <John.Woodworth@CenturyLink.com> Sat, 22 July 2017 04:49 UTC

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From: "Woodworth, John R" <John.Woodworth@CenturyLink.com>
To: "'John R Levine'" <johnl@taugh.com>
CC: "dnsop@ietf.org" <dnsop@ietf.org>, "paul@nohats.ca" <paul@nohats.ca>, "Woodworth, John R" <John.Woodworth@CenturyLink.com>
Thread-Topic: [DNSOP] DNS versioning, was The DNSOP WG has placed draft-woodworth-bulk-rr in state "Candidate for WG Adoption"
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] DNS versioning, was The DNSOP WG has placed draft-woodworth-bulk-rr in state "Candidate for WG Adoption"
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: John R Levine [mailto:johnl@taugh.com]
>

Hi John,

Thanks again for your feedback.

>
> On Thu, 20 Jul 2017, Woodworth, John R wrote:
> > Camp#2) Don't break DNS, even for a second
>
> Well, yeah, except that there's no such thing as breaking the
> DNS for a second.  If we look at the history of DNSSEC, we'd
> break the DNS for somewhere between a decade and forever.
> We have tried very hard for three decades to avoid breaking
> backward compatibility, and it's hard to believe that this is
> the reason to do it.
>

This is a very noble endeavor indeed, I both applaud and respect it.

Having said that, just what level of significance would it take
for us to bend in this respect?  What type of feature, etc.?

>
> ...BULK absolutely requires online DNSSEC signing,
>

Unfortunately, I respectfully reject this as a statement of fact.

There's even a provision (NPN) in the draft which offers a
reasonable method designed specifically for offline signatures.
While the NPN documentation is imperfect, we've still seen a lot
of interest it, and with the help of the WG, we feel it could
prove very useful.


Thanks,
John

>
> Regards,
> John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks,
> Trumansburg NY Please consider the environment before reading
> this e-mail. https://jl.ly
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