Re: [DNSOP] ALT-TLD and (insecure) delgations.

Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Mon, 06 February 2017 04:22 UTC

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Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2017 23:22:35 -0500
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] ALT-TLD and (insecure) delgations.
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The working group has consensus to give it a try.  We may change our minds
of it takes too long, but it seems worth exploring from a process
perspective anyway.

On Feb 5, 2017 11:18 PM, "John R Levine" <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:

> I'm pretty sure I've explained it enough times on this mailing list and in
>> the relevant documents by now. If you don't agree, maybe we should just
>> accept that. If you don't remember the explanation, it's in the homenet
>> naming architecture doc I wrote.
>>
>
> Well, OK, I took another look, and from what I can see, it's a belief that
> people will find toaster.homenet.arpa harder or more confusing to type than
> toaster.homenet.
>
> Just out of curiosity, how long is it worth waiting to get .homenet rather
> than .homenet.arpa?  If it took five more years, which at the current rate
> seems optimistic, would homenet still be relevant?
>
> R's,
> John
>