Re: [DNSOP] ALT-TLD and (insecure) delgations.

Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Tue, 07 February 2017 18:57 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] ALT-TLD and (insecure) delgations.
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On Feb 7, 2017, at 1:49 PM, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
> I really doubt that if we bless both .alt and .lcl (or whatever) that
> the people building stuff will use the one we want them to use.

Then it won't work for them.   But fashionable though this sort of cynicism is, clear specifications do get read, and not everybody is a blithering idiot.   We can't protect people from shooting themselves in the foot, but we can make it possible for them not to shoot themselves in the foot.   That's what Warren is proposing.