Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-sury-deprecate-obsolete-resource-records-00.txt

Ondřej Surý <ondrej@isc.org> Mon, 26 March 2018 15:37 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-sury-deprecate-obsolete-resource-records-00.txt
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No, I am claiming that no current Internet standard is using those records and they were already marked as EXPERIMENTAL or OBSOLETE 30 years ago.

Ondřej 

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> On 26 Mar 2018, at 17:19, Paul Vixie <paul@redbarn.org> wrote:
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> Ondřej Surý wrote:
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>> I think that modifying (or removing stuff from) the DNS standard(s)
>> MUST NOT be driven by “how simple it is”, but “how useful it is”.
>> 
>> This would just lead into the situation that we would have two
>> categories: “oh, that's too simple to remove” and “oh, that’s too
>> difficult to remove” and nothing in between.
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> the dichotomy presented here is false. interoperability is a priority. the observations that you aren't using some feature, and that noone you know is using that feature, do not support a conclusion that the feature is not in use. the internet is bigger than what you can measure.
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> P Vixie
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