[DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147) to Internet Standard
Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Mon, 13 April 2026 21:18 UTC
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Michael said:
> Depending upon how the other documents are advanced, if 6147 is not advanced
> as well, it might well need to be removed from being referenced. That
> effectively deprecates it from a procurement point of view.
This is the most powerful argument I've seen for abolishing the difference between
Proposed Standard and Internet Standard. *This is the very definition of makework.*
Regards/Ngā mihi
Brian
On 14-Apr-26 03:01, Michael Richardson wrote:
>
> Philip Homburg <pch-dnsop-7@u-1.phicoh.com> wrote:
> > Maybe the RFC processes should not be abused for RFPs?
>
> Uhm. Being able to cite RFC in trade-agreement compliant RFPs are 96% of the
> reason companies are willing to fund the IETF to produce RFCs.
> If not for that, governments would be unable to procure either DNS servers or
> IPv6 routers, etc.
>
> It's not an abuse of the RFPs, for some, it's their primary purpose.
> (Yes, I live in a government town. Yes, I talk to people who do this. I've
> even had products on government standing offer, based upon RFC compliance)
>
> > If you cannot put a standards track RFC in an RFP (and RFC 6147 is standards
> > track) then that is not something the IETF needs to fix?
>
> Depending upon how the other documents are advanced, if 6147 is not advanced
> as well, it might well need to be removed from being referenced. That
> effectively deprecates it from a procurement point of view.
>
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- [DNSOP] Moving DNS64 (RFC6147) to Internet Standa… mohamed.boucadair
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Moving DNS64 (RFC6147) to Int… Scott Morizot
- [DNSOP] Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147) to Internet St… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147) to Internet St… Paul Vixie
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… Brian E Carpenter
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… mohamed.boucadair
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Moving DNS64 (RFC6147) to Int… Chenhao Ma
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… Ole Trøan
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC… Michael Richardson
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… Michael Richardson
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Moving … Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 … Nick Buraglio
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Moving DNS64 (RFC6147) to Int… Dan Wing
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Moving DNS64 (RFC6147) to Int… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Moving DNS64 (RFC6147) to Int… Ole Trøan
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Moving … Michael Richardson
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… Michael Richardson
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] [Ext] Re: Re: Re: Re: Moving … jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Moving DNS64 (RFC6147) to Int… mohamed.boucadair
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC… jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC… Gert Doering
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC… Tim Chown
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC… jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC… Michael Richardson
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 … Brian E Carpenter
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Moving … Warren Kumari
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Moving … jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 … Ted Lemon
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Moving DN… Mark Andrews
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Moving DN… Mark Andrews
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: [Ext] Re: Re: Re: Re: Mov… Michael Richardson
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Moving DN… Brian E Carpenter
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC… Michael Richardson
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… Michael Richardson
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: [Ext] Re: Re: Re: Re: Mov… Brian E Carpenter
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 … jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 … jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 … jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 … Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 … jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 (RFC… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 … marka
- [DNSOP] (Concluded) RE: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147) to… mohamed.boucadair
- [DNSOP] Re: (Concluded) RE: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 … jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Re: Moving DNS64 … jordi.palet@consulintel.es
- [DNSOP] Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Moving DN… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: (Concluded) RE: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… Philipp Tiesel
- [DNSOP] Re: (Concluded) RE: Moving DNS64 (RFC6147… jordi.palet@consulintel.es