Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Re: New draft for helping browsers use the DoH server associated with a resolver

Vladimír Čunát <vladimir.cunat+ietf@nic.cz> Fri, 24 August 2018 14:44 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Re: New draft for helping browsers use the DoH server associated with a resolver
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On 08/24/2018 04:25 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote:
> Forwarding resolvers do not need special casing, I believe. If the forwarding resolver understands the protocol, it will reply. If it doesn't understand the protocol, it will forward and give back whatever the upstream resolver tells it. 

Oh, I assumed (perhaps wrongly) that if the OS resolver forwards to some
other resolver that can do DoH, you want the browser to use *that* DoH
instead of the OS resolver, at least in the usual case when there's not
a good channel to the OS resolver itself.  If the OS resolver validates,
I don't see much difference between being a "stub" or forwarding.

Anyway, all the notes I've written are about an edge case that seem a
small fraction in practice - dumb stub without validation and without
secure transport is still the default almost everywhere, I'm afraid.

I believe I understood what you mean by the "motivation" - confirmed by
you restating it.  I still can't really understand why that group of
cases is considered useful, but presumably browser/DoH people know
better what most of their users want.

--Vladimir