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[DNSOP] Re: Side Meeting - DNS Load Balancing

Davey Song <songlinjian@gmail.com> Mon, 01 July 2024 09:55 UTC

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From: Davey Song <songlinjian@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2024 17:54:55 +0800
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Hi Paul,

I’m sending this email off-list to respond to your comment.

davey, "another indirection" means both more round trips and more
> complexity,
> and will find few friends.
>

I do hope the DNS caters to the requirements without another indirection. I
said "another indirection" because people like Ray said " No, DNS is not
designed for routing purposes. You should do it in another place".  I guess
you have the same position as your 2009 ACM queue article was frequently
quoted by these people.  However, the fact is that DNS has been widely used
as a direction system for a long time with lots of tricks though.
Individual tricks build walls for interoperability. Our friend PVM  thought
that DNS could contain not only data but also programs in the future. What
do you think?

hear: https://changelog.com/person/paul-vixie


BTW, I listened to the entire podcast episode and enjoyed the interview
just like I was right there in the room. Thank you.

Davey

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