Re: [DNSOP] status of the aname and svcb/httpsvc drafts

Tim Wicinski <tjw.ietf@gmail.com> Fri, 21 February 2020 13:34 UTC

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Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 08:34:11 -0500
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] status of the aname and svcb/httpsvc drafts
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Similar to Dan, I have HTTPS based API services whose endpoints are at a
zone apex.

Tim


On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 7:19 AM Dan York <york@isoc.org> wrote:

> Benno,
>
> On Feb 21, 2020, at 4:08 AM, Benno Overeinder <benno@NLnetLabs.nl> wrote:
>
> I am interested to learn what the problem is that the customer wants to
> solve.  Quoting from the email from Evan Hunt in this thread: "CNAME at
> the apex wasn't really the problem.  Getting browsers to display
> content from the right CDN server was the problem."
>
> If there is a specific use case for CNAME in the APEX (ANAME), I am
> really interested to learn from this.
>
>
> Similar to Karl’s customers, I want to use domains name without any
> subdomains to point to a CDN address and have the appropriate CDN edge node
> respond. I had outlined my perspective in a draft last year:
>
>
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-york-dnsop-cname-at-apex-publisher-view-01
>
> What Evan says is true… it’s not so much that I “need” to have “CNAME at
> apex”. I just need some method that becomes widely available that allows
> web browsers (and other web endpoints) to go from “example.com” to a CDN
> node.
>
> If HTTPSVC can do that, and browser vendors will implement it [1], then
> that use case can be satisfied.
>
> Dan
>
> [1] And, of course, to get “the DNS infrastructure” to allow domain
> registrants to get the HTTPSVC records updated with their DNS hosting
> operator, which often means upgrading those DNS operators to support the
> new record. But that is an issue with ALL of the various “new DNS record”
> solutions we’ve come up with.
>
> --
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