[DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-internal-tld

[Warren Kumari <[e-mail]>]

On Wed, Apr 16, 2025 at 8:30 AM, Benno Overeinder <[e-mail]>
wrote:

> Hi Geoff, Joe, all,
>
> I understand the confusion caused by the Editor note at the beginning of
> Section 5.1. We have discussed the status of the document with the authors,
> and the intention is for it to be published as a Proposed Standard in order
> to add the label to the Special-Use Domain Name registry.
>
> If the draft is adopted by the DNSOP working group, Section 5, IANA
> Considerations, will be updated accordingly. With Proposed Standard status,
> the .internal label is intended to be added to the Special-Use Domain Name
> registry.
>


Yup, what Benno said…


The "It not yet decided.." text was added when it was still unclear if A:
DNSOP might be willing to adopt it and B: if DNSOP would want it to be
added to the SUDN registry if so.

I agree that having DNSOP adopt it and not add it to SUDN would be weird,
and I obviously think that it should be added, but I did not want to be
presumptive.

So, if adopted by DNSOP, I / we will:
1: update the track to PS
2: remove the "It not yet decided…"
3: discuss Tommy Jensen's "considering "MAY" for allowing resolution
libraries to treat this specially"
4: whatever else the WG wants… :-)

W


> We hope this answers your questions.
>
> On behalf of the DNSOP co-chairs,
> -- Benno
>
> On 16/04/2025 13:17, Joe Abley wrote:
>
> Hi Geoff,
>
> I have previously disagreed with you about whether adding this name to the
> special use domain names registry is a good idea. But I very much agree
> with you about this adoption call, or at least I am confused about the same
> things that you say you are confused about.
>
> If we are not adding this domain to the registry in question, we don't
> need a document. Surely clarity on that fundamental question should come
> first.
>
> Joe
>
> On 15 Apr 2025, at 22:24, Geoff Huston <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> I am left asking myself: what is the purpose of this document?
>
> I had assumed that the purpose was to provide RFC documentation to justify
> the inclusion of this label in the Special Use Domain Name registry, but
> the draft reads: "(Editor note: It not yet decided if the "internal"
> top-level domain should be added to the list of special-use domain
> names..."
>
> If there is no intent to add this label to the Special Use registry then
> what is the intent of this document and why is it being proposed to be an
> RFC?
>
> Why is DNSOP being asked to adopt this document if there is no clarity as
> to what is being proposed here?
>
> thanks,
>
>    Geoff
>
> On 15 Apr 2025, at 6:38 pm, Benno Overeinder <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> All,
>
> At IETF 122, there appeared to be some agreement to adopt this work within
> DNSOP.
>
> Below are the relevant meeting minutes and a link to the presentation from
> the session:
>
> A Top-level Domain for Private Use, Warren Kumari
>        https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-davies-internal-tld/
>        Ted: Should work on this
>        Tommy Jensen: Work on here
>                Consider that libraries MAY treat it as special to catch
> things
>                from going upstream
>        Stuart Cheshire: Agree with logic, should be listed in registry
>        Jim: Not for IETF because ICANN told us what to do
>                Maybe figure out the process
>                Thanks for bearing with all the machinations
>        Mark: Locally served registry requires that the names have insecure
>        delegations in the DNS
>                Bring-your-own-devices work because of this insecure
> validation
>        Suzanne: How much work is needed?
>                Warren: Almost no work
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/122/materials/slides-122-dnsop-
> sessa-draft-davies-internal-tld-a-top-level-domain-for-private-use-00
>
> Warren Kumari has responded to some of the questions raised at the mic
> during the session in an email to the mailing list.
>
> This email begins a Call for Adoption for draft-davies-internal-tld,
> "A Top-level Domain for Private Use."
>
> You can find the draft here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-
> davies-internal-tld/
>
> Please review the draft and share your thoughts on the mailing list,
> clearly stating whether you support its adoption by DNSOP.  Also let us
> know if you are willing to contribute text, provide reviews, or help in
> other ways.
>
> Due to the Easter holiday, we are extending the usual timeline for this
> call.
>
> The Call for Adoption will end on May 2, 2025.
>
> Thanks,
>
> For DNSOP co-chairs
> -- Benno
>
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