Re: [DNSOP] Proposal for a side-meeting on services centralization at IETF 104 Prague

Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Thu, 14 March 2019 16:34 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Proposal for a side-meeting on services centralization at IETF 104 Prague
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On Mar 14, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Ralf Weber <dns@fl1ger.de>; wrote:
> Well as you said it is something that will not get consensus at the IETF, so why work on that? However as you said these RDNS control planes exist in real life and even if there is no IETF standard for it, the IETF should consider actual deployments when doing work and not just IETF standards IMHO and that is what the drafts out there trying to do, bring the view of people operating these services into the IETF.

Sorry, I expressed myself fairly poorly.

What I mean is that it’s important to agree on what we are talking about before we try to talk about it, because otherwise a lot of useless back-and-forth happens where one person is arguing from one set of assumptions, and another person is arguing from a different set of assumptions, and neither is able to feel heard.

It can feel very political to go meta on a discussion like this, but I think it’s important for people to actually agree on what the various views are of the problem and solution spaces.   That is, not agree that this problem is the correct view of the problem, or that that solution is the correct solution to a problem, but to enumerate all the views of the problem that various participants have, and enumerate all the solutions to these various problems that people are interested in.

With that overview, a winnowing process is possible; without it, we just have endless non-terminal discussion.