Re: [DNSOP] New draft for consideration:
bert hubert <bert.hubert@powerdns.com> Sun, 24 March 2019 10:18 UTC
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On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 06:42:53AM +0000, Paul Hoffman wrote: > to the terminology problems, I am proposing a few abbreviations that > people can use in these discussions. The draft below, if adopted by the > DNSOP WG, would update RFC 8499 with a small set of abbreviations. Hi Paul, Thank you for this, and I have understood the note that the draft is early and the words will likely improve. It may be good to add a note that "DoH is the protocol as defined in [RFC8484]. The operation of this protocol by browser vendors and cloud providers is frequently also called 'DoH'. DoH-the-protocol is therefore frequently conflated with DoH being used to perform DNS lookups in a different fashion than configured by the network settings (see DaT and DaO)." Secondly, I understand the technical need for the wording of the definition of DaO. But I had to read this all a few times before I understood that 'DaO' includes what I've referred to as DoC (DNS over Cloud). I think definitions should be easy to understand because otherwise they don't function. I'm also not too hot for conflating "user consciously changes /etc/resolv.conf or equivalent" with "application makes the choice for the user". Perhaps we should talk about 'Per-application stubs'? Because this is the nub. I'm willing to write text once we have discussed this a bit. Bert > > --Paul Hoffman > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > > > Title : Abbreviations for DNS Transports and Location > Author : Paul Hoffman > Filename : draft-hoffman-dns-terminology-ter-00.txt > Pages : 3 > Date : 2019-03-23 > > Abstract: > This document adds abbreviations to "DNS Terminology" (RFC 8499) that > relate to DNS running over various transports, as well as > abbreviations for DNS resolution at traditional and non-traditional > locations. > > [[ This is an early attempt at these terms. They will probably be > improved over time. [] > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hoffman-dns-terminology-ter/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hoffman-dns-terminology-ter-00 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-hoffman-dns-terminology-ter-00 > > _______________________________________________ > DNSOP mailing list > DNSOP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop
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