Re: [DNSOP] New draft for consideration:

bert hubert <bert.hubert@powerdns.com> Sun, 24 March 2019 10:18 UTC

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On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 06:42:53AM +0000, Paul Hoffman wrote:

> to the terminology problems, I am proposing a few abbreviations that
> people can use in these discussions.  The draft below, if adopted by the
> DNSOP WG, would update RFC 8499 with a small set of abbreviations.

Hi Paul,

Thank you for this, and I have understood the note that the draft is early
and the words will likely improve. 

It may be good to add a note that "DoH is the protocol as defined in
[RFC8484]. The operation of this protocol by browser vendors and cloud
providers is frequently also called 'DoH'. DoH-the-protocol is
therefore frequently conflated with DoH being used to perform
DNS lookups in a different fashion than configured by the network settings
(see DaT and DaO)."

Secondly, I understand the technical need for the wording of the definition
of DaO.  But I had to read this all a few times before I understood that
'DaO' includes what I've referred to as DoC (DNS over Cloud). I think
definitions should be easy to understand because otherwise they don't
function.

I'm also not too hot for conflating "user consciously changes
/etc/resolv.conf or equivalent" with "application makes the choice for the
user". 

Perhaps we should talk about 'Per-application stubs'? Because this is the
nub. 

I'm willing to write text once we have discussed this a bit.

	Bert


> 
> --Paul Hoffman
> 
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
> 
> 
>         Title           : Abbreviations for DNS Transports and Location
>         Author          : Paul Hoffman
> 	Filename        : draft-hoffman-dns-terminology-ter-00.txt
> 	Pages           : 3
> 	Date            : 2019-03-23
> 
> Abstract:
>    This document adds abbreviations to "DNS Terminology" (RFC 8499) that
>    relate to DNS running over various transports, as well as
>    abbreviations for DNS resolution at traditional and non-traditional
>    locations.
> 
>    [[ This is an early attempt at these terms.  They will probably be
>    improved over time. []
> 
> 
> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hoffman-dns-terminology-ter/
> 
> There are also htmlized versions available at:
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hoffman-dns-terminology-ter-00
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-hoffman-dns-terminology-ter-00
> 
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