IETF Logo Mail Archive

Re: [DNSOP] BULK RR as optional feature

"John R Levine" <johnl@taugh.com> Wed, 29 March 2017 13:32 UTC

Return-Path: <johnl@taugh.com>
X-Original-To: dnsop@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: dnsop@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7993F129505 for <dnsop@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 29 Mar 2017 06:32:58 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1536-bit key) header.d=iecc.com header.b=Y3unDx00; dkim=pass (1536-bit key) header.d=taugh.com header.b=Qr6Jq2nP
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9Xs6zIobfwtS for <dnsop@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 29 Mar 2017 06:32:56 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from miucha.iecc.com (abusenet-1-pt.tunnel.tserv4.nyc4.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f06:1126::2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 50A20129510 for <dnsop@ietf.org>; Wed, 29 Mar 2017 06:32:56 -0700 (PDT)
Received: (qmail 3027 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2017 13:32:55 -0000
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:user-agent; s=bd1.58dbb787.k1703; bh=2uHi/uOyH+onTstkMVP0Em3u+5TiLquoc83PGvHenC8=; b=Y3unDx00flOlbejAdWWD8ZQhfZdgzlyF3aiBDa9Oab0oGlzRs+pxqh7oYmBiBbNeWgviCnMxL0sm5DL36kRkWFicRMRnPaCNd+YQJTvz/uilbB0rNJoUZpdTJtnpT6ydmI7VrrVPBG/CEj920JzInFaoKMaSz/kyTm1P4HX/toWil1EugpdifheNVZWVTrFVnM+kLrILJdBSiIrhzTkm7lWgLG/Q6p6uNZeBPgyaWNDu161h+XjESWIen6LSXI2M
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:user-agent; s=bd1.58dbb787.k1703; bh=2uHi/uOyH+onTstkMVP0Em3u+5TiLquoc83PGvHenC8=; b=Qr6Jq2nPiJ7SWmSWKzy3JXI9gXB7IqTjB1l3IlxqRzM+aApNYQnTijCI/a9RuXM5aBwlgJoapioCejPnnI2H+HrDqhLfJvmgNG5M8IeJNqPeVmXaL5XDw/r7Hy/cr/+lekNw6eSCe1yq6kyMnITx0SeUd1t9YaqTxWcKLi40838wfR3KafYqBs0jwSHkZst03KBricYSMyqnERi+9/9I61ZmggyMidfsMsLoXgpvKXxF5pj6w1rWUJYTd/e3st4d
Received: from localhost ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) by imap.iecc.com ([IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126::78:696d:6170]) with ESMTPS (TLS1.2/X.509/AEAD) via TCP6; 29 Mar 2017 13:32:55 -0000
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 08:32:55 -0500
Message-ID: <alpine.OSX.2.20.1703290830250.5140@ary.local>
From: John R Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
To: Tony Finch <dot@dotat.at>
Cc: "dnsop@ietf.org" <dnsop@ietf.org>
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.11.1703291154090.13590@grey.csi.cam.ac.uk>
References: <20170328183156.2467.qmail@ary.lan> <20170328205151.GB23312@isc.org> <A05B583C828C614EBAD1DA920D92866BD0717CFC@PODCWMBXEX501.ctl.intranet> <20170329021935.GA25314@isc.org> <alpine.OSX.2.20.1703282245500.4804@ary.local> <20170329040341.GA27262@isc.org> <alpine.DEB.2.11.1703291154090.13590@grey.csi.cam.ac.uk>
User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (OSX 67 2015-01-07)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"; format="flowed"
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dnsop/Jm6zQw7VPV1Z2UJ3RBtL6CNoXdk>
Subject: Re: [DNSOP] BULK RR as optional feature
X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list <dnsop.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/dnsop>, <mailto:dnsop-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/dnsop/>
List-Post: <mailto:dnsop@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:dnsop-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop>, <mailto:dnsop-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 13:32:58 -0000

> Evan Hunt <each@isc.org> wrote:
>>
>> At least, please add some operational advice that BULK is not to be
>> deployed in any domain unless all auth servers for that domain fully
>> implement it.
>
> Yes.
>
> This is fairly similar to the requirement for DNSSEC support on auth
> servers, and there wasn't any explicit signalling in the xfer protocol
> in that case.

I think there's a meaningful difference that we expected everyone to 
upgrade to DNSSEC eventually, while I expect I am far from the only person 
with no plans to implement this one.

As I keep saying, it's an enormous amount of new and different mechanism 
for a very narrow use case.

Regards,
John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY
Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly

v2.23.0 | Report a Bug | By Email