Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-sury-deprecate-obsolete-resource-records-00.txt

Ondřej Surý <ondrej@isc.org> Fri, 23 March 2018 19:18 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-sury-deprecate-obsolete-resource-records-00.txt
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The configurations change all the time, I am sorry, but your argument doesn’t have a technical merit.

We really do need to start removing obsolete stuff from DNS, and I believe this is a good start.

Ondřej 
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Ondřej Surý — ISC

> On 23 Mar 2018, at 18:39, Paul Vixie <paul@redbarn.org>; wrote:
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> Ondřej Surý wrote:
>> What’s so wrong of using TYPExxx for these if you absolutely need
>> them to run the ancient technology while at the same time running the
>> latest version of BIND (or your favorite DNS server)?
> 
> because i am loathe to break existing working configurations. when isc changed the value of allow-query to be LAN only, it took years to do as safely as we knew how, and even so there was some breakage.
> 
>> Your argument feels like strawman to me. And I am not the one sitting
>> on a pile of passive DNS data, so I can’t pull the numbers...
> 
> we don't see a lot of intranet data, so that would not be dispositive. however, i urge you to reconsider your strawman-ish feelings. we are forever rebuilding the airplane in flight. the long tail matters.
> 
>> We are not taking the ability to put random TYPEnnn records into the
>> zone, we are just saying the tools just won’t understand them
>> anymore. Again nothing is going to break on the day one.
> 
> as long as people know what they're doing and are willing to convert their zones using tools unspecified, that's true. but you are chewing on the narrowest part of bert's camel here, at some risk, little gain.
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