Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-let-localhost-be-localhost

Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Wed, 06 September 2017 14:35 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption - draft-west-let-localhost-be-localhost
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On Sep 6, 2017, at 10:33 AM, tjw ietf <tjw.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks.  The document still waffles, but it 'waffles less' than it did initially.  But Mike is committed to working that and any other issue which may arise. 

The question I really have is not whether Mike is willing—he's stated that he is.   It's whether the working group is willing, since returning NXDOMAIN is an actual change in behavior from the original specification in RFC 6761, and will likely result in some breakage, since it can safely be assumed that some stacks are currently following the RFC6761 advice.