Re: [DNSOP] my lone hum against draft-wkumari-dnsop-multiple-responses
Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Tue, 19 July 2016 07:46 UTC
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From: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] my lone hum against draft-wkumari-dnsop-multiple-responses
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I thought the proposal specifically excluded support for this sort of query in any case other than for queries from authoritative servers. On Jul 19, 2016 09:37, "Matthew Pounsett" <matt@conundrum.com> wrote: > > > On 19 July 2016 at 09:19, Ralf Weber <dns@fl1ger.de> wrote: > >> Moin! >> >> On 19 Jul 2016, at 9:00, Christopher Morrow wrote: >> >> > On Jul 19, 2016 8:36 AM, "Ralf Weber" <dns@fl1ger.de> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Except that if you have a decent size and hot Cache with refreshing >> >> these records will be in there anyway. IMHO you gained nothing, but I >> >> agree with Jim Reid that it would be good to have data on this. >> > >> > Nothing except some DNS round trips. >> > How could that matter though? >> As said I don't believe we have additional round trips between the >> recursive and the authoritative server in most of the cases. That is >> what we need data for though. DNS and applications that use DNS have >> unbelievable levels of caching. So while this all might apply to you >> if you run your own resolver just for you, it's not the case in big >> cache deployments most people use (be it their ISP or some big public >> resolver). >> >> While I tend to agree that the optimization gain between the recursive > and authoritative server is probably minimal, the potential gain between > the recursive and the stub is huge. Other than the fact that the > explanation focuses on the authoritative, I don't see any reason this needs > to be limited to recursive->authoritative conversations. Indeed, with the > OPT signalling a recursive could obtain the EXTRA records and provide the > same optimized answers to stubs. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > DNSOP mailing list > DNSOP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop > >
- Re: [DNSOP] my lone hum against draft-wkumari-dns… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] my lone hum against draft-wkumari-dns… Bob Harold
- Re: [DNSOP] Asking for TCP and/or cookies: a tren… Mukund Sivaraman
- Re: [DNSOP] Asking for TCP and/or cookies: a tren… Mukund Sivaraman
- Re: [DNSOP] Asking for TCP and/or cookies: a tren… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] Asking for TCP and/or cookies: a tren… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] Asking for TCP and/or cookies: a tren… Mukund Sivaraman
- Re: [DNSOP] Asking for TCP and/or cookies: a tren… Paul Wouters
- [DNSOP] Asking for TCP and/or cookies: a trend? (… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] my lone hum against draft-wkumari-dns… 延志伟
- Re: [DNSOP] my lone hum against draft-wkumari-dns… 延志伟
- Re: [DNSOP] my lone hum against draft-wkumari-dns… Ralf Weber
- Re: [DNSOP] my lone hum against draft-wkumari-dns… Peter van Dijk
- Re: [DNSOP] my lone hum against draft-wkumari-dns… 延志伟
- Re: [DNSOP] my lone hum against draft-wkumari-dns… Jim Reid
- Re: [DNSOP] my lone hum against draft-wkumari-dns… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] my lone hum against draft-wkumari-dns… Jim Reid
- Re: [DNSOP] my lone hum against draft-wkumari-dns… 延志伟
- Re: [DNSOP] my lone hum against draft-wkumari-dns… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] my lone hum against draft-wkumari-dns… Ralf Weber
- Re: [DNSOP] my lone hum against draft-wkumari-dns… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] my lone hum against draft-wkumari-dns… Ralf Weber
- Re: [DNSOP] my lone hum against draft-wkumari-dns… Matthew Pounsett
- Re: [DNSOP] my lone hum against draft-wkumari-dns… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] my lone hum against draft-wkumari-dns… Matthew Pounsett
- Re: [DNSOP] my lone hum against draft-wkumari-dns… Ralf Weber
- Re: [DNSOP] my lone hum against draft-wkumari-dns… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [DNSOP] my lone hum against draft-wkumari-dns… Ralf Weber
- Re: [DNSOP] my lone hum against draft-wkumari-dns… George Michaelson
- Re: [DNSOP] my lone hum against draft-wkumari-dns… Robert Edmonds
- [DNSOP] my lone hum against draft-wkumari-dnsop-m… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] my lone hum against draft-wkumari-dns… Ralf Weber