Re: [DNSOP] Last Call: <draft-ietf-dnsop-qname-minimisation-07.txt> (DNS query name minimisation to improve privacy) to Experimental RFC

Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@nic.fr> Fri, 13 November 2015 08:12 UTC

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On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 12:32:55PM +0100,
 Maarten Wullink <maarten.wullink@sidn.nl> wrote 
 a message of 63 lines which said:

> I just read you draft about qname minimisation again and i
> discovered that besides limiting the number of labels the resolver
> is sending to the authoritative it also proposes to replace the
> qtype with "NS" when sending queries to authoratives.
> 
> This is understandable for privacy concerns but it also makes it
> impossible (or at least much more difficult) to perform security
> analysis at the vantage point of the authoritive server operator
> such as a ccTLD.

This is known (section 5) and discussed in appendix B. 

> Is this something the group discussed? and maybe something you want
> to add to the security section of the draft?

It was a consequence of the Dallas meeting where the point was raised
<https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/92/slides/slides-92-dnsop-0.pdf> and
the consensus was clearly to focus on the most privacy-preserving
solution, leaving alternatives in appendixes
<http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/92/minutes/minutes-92-dnsop>.

See also <https://github.com/bortzmeyer/my-IETF-work/issues/9>,
<https://github.com/bortzmeyer/my-IETF-work/issues/11>,
<https://centr.org/system/files/share/centr-report-ietf92-20150518_0.pdf>
(section "More Privacy Work in DNSOP")