Re: [DNSOP] [External] Re: Fwd: [Add] new draft: draft-grover-add-policy-detection-00

Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com> Tue, 16 July 2019 03:21 UTC

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From: Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 20:21:38 -0700
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To: Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@mozilla.com>
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] [External] Re: Fwd: [Add] new draft: draft-grover-add-policy-detection-00
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On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 10:18 AM Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@mozilla.com>
wrote:

> On 7/15/19 10:54 AM, Andrew M. Hettinger wrote:
>
> > Arguably there's actually a decrease in security over DoT as, rather
> > then your network provider being the one who knows what DNS lookups
> > you're doing, now some third party with whom you have no relationship.
>
> You, as a lone user, have zero leverage with your network provider.
>

It doesn't look like Mozilla has much leverage here. I can just pay $10 or
something for a VPN.


> Firefox or Chome or Safari (etc.), as the user agent for millions of
> people, can exercise more leverage and also enter into contractual
> agreements with trusted recursive resolvers. That seems like a promising
> avenue to explore.
>

Is it promising?


>
> > Let's be clear, "some third party" is pronounced "Cloudflare." This
> > isn't to bash on Cloudflare, but everyone's DNS traffic going to ONE
> > company?
>
> Mozilla's intent is to deploy a set of trusted recursive resolvers, as
> Ekr explained back in March on the DoH list:
>

And also to supply a domain name that disables everything? That's what
the draft does, right?

thanks,
Rob