Re: [DNSOP] [Doh] Proposal for a side-meeting on services centralization at IETF 104 Prague

George Michaelson <ggm@algebras.org> Thu, 14 March 2019 01:10 UTC

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From: George Michaelson <ggm@algebras.org>
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 11:09:58 +1000
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] [Doh] Proposal for a side-meeting on services centralization at IETF 104 Prague
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we're in danger of acronym soup here. RDNS can refer to reverse-DNS
(in-addr.arpa and ip6.arpa) and I think usurping it for Resolverless
DNS is an interesting moment.

-George

On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 10:49 AM Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> wrote:
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> On Mar 12, 2019, at 2:52 PM, Paul Vixie <paul@redbarn.org> wrote:
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> please do not relegate discussions about the loss of operator control over the
> RDNS control plane
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> Although it’s certainly true that DNS is used as a control plane by many operators, there is no standard “RDNS control plane.”   If you think there should be, that’s something that the IETF could conceivably work on, but it’s not something that the DoH working group is obligated to treat as a standard use of DNS.   And I don’t think it’s a topic on which there is consensus in the IETF.
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> The problem with the discussion we’ve been having about DoH and how it affects your “RDNS control plane” is that we’re talking past each other, not that the discussion should be had elsewhere.   It’s fine for there to be a discussion, but if there is going to be a discussion, participants need to engage constructively, and not just fling slogans at each other.
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[DNSOP] Proposal for a side-meeting on services c… Stephane Bortzmeyer
Re: [DNSOP] Proposal for a side-meeting on servic… Vittorio Bertola
Re: [DNSOP] [hrpc] Proposal for a side-meeting on… Allison Mankin
Re: [DNSOP] Proposal for a side-meeting on servic… Stephane Bortzmeyer
Re: [DNSOP] Proposal for a side-meeting on servic… Stephane Bortzmeyer
Re: [DNSOP] [Doh] Proposal for a side-meeting on … Mark Nottingham
Re: [DNSOP] [Doh] Proposal for a side-meeting on … Stephane Bortzmeyer
Re: [DNSOP] Proposal for a side-meeting on servic… Vittorio Bertola
Re: [DNSOP] Proposal for a side-meeting on servic… Paul Vixie
Re: [DNSOP] Proposal for a side-meeting on servic… Ted Lemon
Re: [DNSOP] [Doh] Proposal for a side-meeting on … George Michaelson
Re: [DNSOP] [Doh] Proposal for a side-meeting on … Paul Vixie
Re: [DNSOP] Proposal for a side-meeting on servic… Paul Vixie
Re: [DNSOP] Proposal for a side-meeting on servic… Ralf Weber
Re: [DNSOP] [hrpc] Proposal for a side-meeting on… Stephen Farrell
Re: [DNSOP] [hrpc] Proposal for a side-meeting on… Ralf Weber
Re: [DNSOP] Proposal for a side-meeting on servic… Ted Lemon
Re: [DNSOP] [hrpc] Proposal for a side-meeting on… Vinicius Fortuna [vee-NEE-see.oos]
Re: [DNSOP] [hrpc] Proposal for a side-meeting on… Paul Vixie
Re: [DNSOP] [Doh] [hrpc] Proposal for a side-meet… Vittorio Bertola