Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special Use Names: some reading material
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special Use Names: some reading material
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On 05/13/2015 03:05 PM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > we should not be poaching on turf already handed to someone else. > Managing top-level domains that are intended to be looked up in the > DNS -- even if people expect them to be part of a "local root" or > otherwise not actually part of the DNS -- is, I increasingly think, > part of ICANN's remit. > > Managing things that are domain names that are by definition > _never_ to be looked up in the DNS is different, and we have a > legitimate claim (I'm arguing. I should note I'm not sure I > completely buy the distinction I'm making, but I want to keep > testing it). > *** I better understand now your reluctance on P2PNames: .bit has exactly one feet on each side of your argument. I was waiting for the minutes of the Interim Meeting (especially the parts concerning the adoption of OnionTLD by this WG, and the part concerning the P2PNames draft) but I must say that the P2PNames party is already contemplating working on split drafts to facilitate the proceeding in a reasonable time of non-controversial strings, including to support draft-appelbaum-dnsop-onion-tld (albeit with some reserves), and clarify the discussion so that such arguments become apparent. Andrew you will have an opportunity to test your assumption more practically soon. :) I'm looking for financial support to pursue this task: I am not employed by a generous corporation and most of my colleagues do not have mandates for that either. As usual the fringe of innovation on the end-to-end Internet matches the hi-tech-lo-life style of Cyberpunk novels. Regards, == hk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJVU54fXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXRFQ0IyNkIyRTNDNzEyMTc2OUEzNEM4ODU0 ODA2QzM2M0ZDMTg5ODNEAAoJEEgGw2P8GJg9DcsP/RbC+jpOJn+/Z9PJgxV6GQ7i OV3PUXId3CjPtTxoNG7rQ+0yVBv8aZKl/3KmSWRIqvvUsthO6djj/CJr/rLBp+UG g6I0f4IKdrb3RBbdeIHK6dK7Ck3MTSRel3dkUhIpH1jRPtdGyLxqIwl8nRjPPMDe MC1GSja56ZIrCniAn7pSYAxus3C0uud2bKGVpqHAz4aeZY9UrTRsHTZbaWp/XL8u 4tX4jNKixcGxZQFDmuCBoqNfnrRY98uOTkzSlUfPsGy6bW/A7+w/VS8CxjuPRNnx O+HzyQjSil2K9JzxCg1GPmWlVfaSVD3lTm8i1Sa9DOF2XeJ2jA5o5qiQc8arJRgQ Yv6CIbfD1KcdtTEXIlZ1q4TJSiQX5wH/pRvmUVD0DS0xhtKxeKwxgfpwF/rRw3eO zN1KbsfyMoSC/T+Pp2ZeLeFLznpuro4VWkItdF7h56wgvVxWdG9RDeLPJQTHnqyT ZuGeHnElLO0RDKmVc0kcxRufcS+MjQiyFiouS9Do2i5TZ5MM8JJDwUiCFxQqIY6D Vm+RWc2b1R5ePPsgSk8RCod9MbD4u/HDgt/SxBH1r+x08143fmhnE/OSDr0lYXfa Rw6oyI5yXe0urooLqkwgcg5yZkIXovbrpZ1X6cGcOny84mpzQd98trqwC0QvID7U SCNjKlU26jrDZh7qDIeK =YtU0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
- [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special Use N… Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Livingood, Jason
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Bob Harold
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… hellekin
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… hellekin
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Livingood, Jason
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… hellekin
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… manning
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… manning
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Edward Lewis
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Edward Lewis
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Edward Lewis
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Edward Lewis
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Dan York
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Hugo Connery
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… hellekin
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Hugo Maxwell Connery
- Re: [DNSOP] .ALT, was Interim DNSOP WG meeting on… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… hellekin
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… hellekin
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Lyman Chapin
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… George Michaelson
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… George Michaelson
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… George Michaelson
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Lyman Chapin
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Lyman Chapin
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… str4d
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Steve Crocker
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Francisco Arias
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Francisco Arias
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Rubens Kuhl
- Re: [DNSOP] Interim DNSOP WG meeting on Special U… Mark Andrews