Re: [DNSOP] Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-dnsop-rfc5011-security-considerations-12
Michael StJohns <msj@nthpermutation.com> Mon, 09 July 2018 16:05 UTC
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From: Michael StJohns <msj@nthpermutation.com>
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-dnsop-rfc5011-security-considerations-12
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Tim/Suzanne - Please cancel the request for publication until you complete the WGLC for this document. The last WGLC for the document was October of last year - it failed on 28 October https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/dnsop/current/msg21225.html. No WGLC has been made since then. The consensus referenced in the shepherd's report was meeting consensus - not mailing list consensus AFAICT. Specifically, I'd like to see if Ed's removed his objections. I don't have a problem with the WGLC being used to judge consensus - but that's not what happened here. Later, Mike On 7/6/2018 9:08 PM, Michael StJohns wrote: > On 7/6/2018 8:13 PM, Tim Wicinski wrote: >> Tim Wicinski has requested publication of >> draft-ietf-dnsop-rfc5011-security-considerations-12 as Proposed >> Standard on behalf of the DNSOP working group. >> >> Please verify the document's state at >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-rfc5011-security-considerations/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> DNSOP mailing list >> DNSOP@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop > > *sigh* > > Point of order: Did I miss the final WGLC on this after this last > version was published? I can't actually find anything in the DNSOP > archives and I don't remember seeing the call. So I'm suggesting > that we've missed a required stage. > > With respect to the shepher's writeup: > > 1) The first reference in the shepherd's write-up is wrong - its > pointing to a whole other set of discussions related to Joe Abley's > ideas. > 2) The second reference isn't representative of the actual discussion, > but only shows the point at which I got worn down. Please include a > reference that actually shows the attempts to try and resolve my issues. > 3) This document should not be a Proposed Standard as it documents > nothing implementable (that is nothing implementable in a computer), > but is operational guidance for the publication process. > 4) Is it usual for the WG chair to write the shepherd's report? > Specifically, it seems a conflict of interest for items (3) -(6). > 5) The technical summary is misleading. This is not an update to > 5011, but guidance to the zone publisher who may have not understood > the implications of operational choices (e.g. steady state single > trust anchor vs 5011s recommendation of multiple trust anchors). E.g. > "RFC5011 DNSSEC Key Rollover Strategy" isn't a document referenced by > this document, and that would be the document that would be in need of > an update. > 6) Same comment - it's not an update to the 5011 timers, but to the > understanding of the publishers of such zones that use 5011. > 7) Please include references of the emails of the "root server > community" review - AFAICT, Ed Lewis was the only one to comment on > the list and the last comment was last year. > > Mike > > > Mike > > > > > >
- Re: [DNSOP] Publication has been requested for dr… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [DNSOP] Publication has been requested for dr… Michael StJohns
- Re: [DNSOP] Publication has been requested for dr… Michael StJohns
- [DNSOP] Publication has been requested for draft-… Tim Wicinski
- [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for for draft-iet… Michael StJohns
- Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for for draft… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for for draft… Michael StJohns
- Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for for draft… Wes Hardaker
- Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for for draft… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for for draft… Warren Kumari