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Re: [DNSOP] the root is not special, everybody please stop obsessing over it

Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@nic.fr> Fri, 15 February 2019 09:59 UTC

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Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 10:59:36 +0100
From: Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@nic.fr>
To: Paul Vixie <paul@redbarn.org>
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] the root is not special, everybody please stop obsessing over it
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On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 01:57:14PM -0800,
 Paul Vixie <paul@redbarn.org> wrote 
 a message of 42 lines which said:

> the fact that i have to hotwire my RDNS cache with local zone glue
> in order to reach my own servers when my comcast circuit is down or
> i can't currently reach the .SU authorities to learn where VIX.SU
> is, should not only concern, but also embarrass, all of us.

I agree that this is an issue (as you said, the simple case of "my own
zone" is easily solved by stub and/or forward zones in BIND) but any
solution must take care of phantom domains. If I register
malware-c-and-c-as-a-service.com and it's taken down, the solution
should not make this domain to work after. (Except of course for
resolvers who decided to configure a stub zone for this domain.)

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