Re: [DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-rfc6598-rfc6303-01

David Conrad <drc@virtualized.org> Thu, 21 August 2014 01:52 UTC

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Hi,

On Aug 20, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 10:52:46AM +1000, Mark Andrews wrote:
>> It was also a required step as you can't reliably
>> validate in the client unless the recursive server has filtered out
>> the spoofed answers.
> 
> If I understand you correctly, this devolves to the claim that the
> validating client has to do its own recursion, lest it trut something
> without basis.  Is that what you're suggesting?  I'm not opposed, but
> let us be clear.

I’m getting confused.

What’s the difference between the “validating client” and a full validating resolver?  Just the lack of cache?

Tanks,
-drc