Re: [DNSOP] Second Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-extended-error
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Second Working Group Last Call for
draft-ietf-dnsop-extended-error
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On 11/14/19 12:05 AM, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: > It'd be a shame (though admittedly not frequent) to have a resolver > retry over TCP just to get the same answer with additional information > it does not need and perhaps does not even understand. EDE codes themselves take very little space, so truncating just the textual messages might be a good middle-ground.... but I certainly haven't tried thinking of all implications on EDE truncation yet. Communicating these through bit(s) in EDE or EDNS flags might be nice, and clients might even use them to set their preference. Still, ATM I can't clearly see whether such TC details would be useful in practice. I think we're fortunate that most use cases for EDE are failures... so the answer will probably be tiny. --Vladimir
- [DNSOP] Second Working Group Last Call for draft-… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [DNSOP] Second Working Group Last Call for dr… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [DNSOP] Second Working Group Last Call for dr… Loganaden Velvindron
- Re: [DNSOP] Second Working Group Last Call for dr… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] Second Working Group Last Call for dr… Michael J. Sheldon
- Re: [DNSOP] Second Working Group Last Call for dr… Puneet Sood
- Re: [DNSOP] Second Working Group Last Call for dr… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [DNSOP] Second Working Group Last Call for dr… Wes Hardaker
- Re: [DNSOP] Second Working Group Last Call for dr… Wes Hardaker
- Re: [DNSOP] Second Working Group Last Call for dr… Wes Hardaker
- Re: [DNSOP] Second Working Group Last Call for dr… Wes Hardaker
- Re: [DNSOP] Second Working Group Last Call for dr… Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [DNSOP] Second Working Group Last Call for dr… Wes Hardaker
- Re: [DNSOP] Second Working Group Last Call for dr… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [DNSOP] Second Working Group Last Call for dr… Petr Špaček
- Re: [DNSOP] Second Working Group Last Call for dr… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [DNSOP] Second Working Group Last Call for dr… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] Second Working Group Last Call for dr… Puneet Sood
- Re: [DNSOP] Second Working Group Last Call for dr… Puneet Sood
- Re: [DNSOP] Second Working Group Last Call for dr… Patrick McManus
- Re: [DNSOP] Second Working Group Last Call for dr… Eric Orth
- Re: [DNSOP] Second Working Group Last Call for dr… Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] Second Working Group Last Call for dr… Jan Komissar (jkomissa)
- Re: [DNSOP] Second Working Group Last Call for dr… Petr Špaček
- Re: [DNSOP] Second Working Group Last Call for dr… Petr Špaček
- Re: [DNSOP] Second Working Group Last Call for dr… Eric Orth
- Re: [DNSOP] Second Working Group Last Call for dr… Petr Špaček
- Re: [DNSOP] Second Working Group Last Call for dr… Wes Hardaker
- Re: [DNSOP] Second Working Group Last Call for dr… Wes Hardaker
- Re: [DNSOP] Second Working Group Last Call for dr… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [DNSOP] Second Working Group Last Call for dr… Wes Hardaker
- Re: [DNSOP] Second Working Group Last Call for dr… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [DNSOP] Second Working Group Last Call for dr… Richard Gibson
- Re: [DNSOP] Second Working Group Last Call for dr… Vladimír Čunát