Re: [DNSOP] .arpa

Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com> Wed, 22 March 2017 17:12 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] .arpa
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Hi,

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 09:19:24AM -0700, Ray Bellis wrote:
> Arguably I'm not "typical", but IMHO we shouldn't be designing for the
> lowest common denominator.

That argument is absurd on the face of it, because anyone sufficiently
clueful about systems to be using ssh or hand-entering domain names is
also sufficiently clueful to recognize that maybe they should use the
google search result that pertains to networking rather than the US
DoD.  (Presumably these are the same people who have figured out that
iab.org and iab.com are not the same organizations.)  Therefore,
homenet.arpa would work just fine for such people, there'd be no
design for LCD, and also we'd get something that would work and
wouldn't involve a constitutional crisis for IANA.

> Either way, the Homenet WG has reached its consensus decision to request
> ".homenet" rather than ".homenet.arpa".

Since the point of this discussion is to inform IETF consensus,
HOMENET's consensus is not the only thing that counts.  It is entirely
possible that HOMENET's consensus will not be the IETF consensus.

> To those that say "no insecure delegations in the root zone" because
> "DNSSEC is good"

I don't think anyone is saying anything about that.  The point is that
_someone else_ gets to decide.  The IETF has literally no say in the
decision about what goes in the root zone itself, and hasn't since the
IETF signed its MoU with ICANN.  (Some argue that for this reason the
IETF must never allocate a top-level label.  I do not agree with them,
but there is absolutely no question about whether we are in a position
to decide actual registrations in the root zone.)

The plain fact is that the IETF IANA considerations in
draft-ietf-homenet-dot-03 makes a request of IANA that the IETF has no
business making, because we are requesting an entry in a registry
whose policy is controlled by someone else.  It's clear that the
weasel words "arrange for" are there to pretend we're not making such
a request it, but the MUST NOT be signed is an attempt to specify
protocol operation in a registry where we have no business working.
If this proceeds as IETF consensus, it will be apparent that it is the
IETF, not ICANN, that threatens the stability of the IANA
arrangements.  I hope we do not have to explore that rathole in my
lifetime.

Best regards,

A (speaking, of course, for myself)

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Andrew Sullivan
ajs@anvilwalrusden.com