Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovation (was Re: draft-hzhwm-start-tls-for-dns-00)

Ted Lemon <ted.lemon@nominum.com> Mon, 17 February 2014 18:42 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovation (was Re: draft-hzhwm-start-tls-for-dns-00)
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On Feb 17, 2014, at 1:38 PM, Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@vpnc.org>; wrote:
> Given your second paragraph, why create a new WG which will be an attractive nuisance? Andrew's proposal of letting WGs that want the innovations seems less likely to rekindle the dysfunction.

Then you're just moving the dysfunction to the IETF mailing list, as we've seen in the recent past.   I'm not convinced that that's a win.