Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-06.txt
Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> Thu, 29 March 2018 21:44 UTC
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-06.txt
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On 3/29/2018 10:30 AM, Paul Vixie wrote: > since the _ was chosen as nonconflicting, and since you desire to > explain what it is we aren't conflicting with, and since the RFC 1035 > language is both non-normative and archaic by inspection, i really think > that 952 is the correct, and only correct, reference to use. Thanks for the detailed explication. I think it's odd to have a DNS naming-related discussion that does not cite either of the seminal standards documents for domain naming, but I suppose there's isn't much downside at this place in the document, to cite only RFC 952. > as a side node, RFC 952 permits host names of only 24 characters or > less, including those which have interior periods for RFC 921 purposes. > therefore, a protocol lawyer could say that any name longer than 24 > characters, or beginning with a number, was by definition > non-conflicting with RFC 952, and needs no underscore to achieve same. i > do not harbor this view, and i believe that the LEXICAL GRAMMAR section > is more definitional than the ASSUMPTIONS section of RFC 952. To me, that's an example of the problem with citing only that document: It is not definitive on 'host name'. That RFC 1035 isn't, really, either was my reason for wanting to cite both. But anyhow, the next version will have only 952. >> Trying to eliminate the issue entirely, is this sufficient: >> >> <section title="Scaling Benefits"> >> >> <t>Some resource record types are used in a fashion that can create >> scaling problems, if an entire RRset associated with a domain name is >> aggregated in the leaf node for that name. An increasingly-popular >> approach, with excellent scaling properties, places the RR under a >> node having an underscore-based name, at a defined place in the DNS >> tree under the 'parent' name. This constrains the use of particular >> <spanx style="verb">RR</spanx> types associated with that parent >> name. A direct lookup to the subordinate leaf node produces only the >> desired record types, at no greater cost than a typical DNS >> lookup.</t> >> >> <t>The definition of a underscore global registry, provided in this >> specification, primarily attends to the top-most names used for >> coping an RR type; that is the _underscore "global" names. </t> >> >> </section> > > it's almost 100% of the way there. but, you should say "places the > RRset" oops. quite correct. >>>>> in: 2. DNS Underscore Scoped Entry Registries Function >>>> ... >>>>> /name space/name space, just as every RR type owns a distinct, >>>>> subordinate name space./ >>>> >>>> An RR type owns a name space? I don't understand what that means or how >>>> it is correct. >> >> While I think I see a computer science basis for saying that an RR type >> has a namespace, I'm continuing to find the point more confusing than >> helpful, and fear that other readers will, too. >> >> At the least, can you point me to official documents that explain that >> view? I've looked around a bit an haven't found such a specification or >> discussion. > > it only contains a namespace for the purposes of your underscore > registry. no use of _TCP by any other RR type will conflict with the use > of _TCP by SRV, for example. thus, each RR type effectively has its own > registry, whose names need only be unique within that registry. you may > prefer to call it a dictionary rather than a namespace in order to avoid > confusion around what other DNS RFC's call a "namespace". Oh. Alas, I'm still not seeing how this is helpful pedagogy for the average reader. Let's suspend this until the next version and see how the doc sits with folks. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net
- [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-06.… internet-drafts
- Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf… Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf… Dave Crocker
- Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf… Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf… Dave Crocker
- Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf… Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf… Dave Crocker
- Re: [DNSOP] namespaces, I-D Action: draft-ietf-dn… John Levine