[DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-internal-tld
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From: Andrew McConachie <andrew@depht.com>
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2025 11:25:54 +0200
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Subject: [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-internal-tld
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On 22 Apr 2025, at 15:48, Petr Špaček wrote: > On 4/22/25 13:26, Andrew McConachie wrote: >> This is an overly creative interpretation of the Board’s >> resolution. It implicitly adds a modifier preceding “delegation” >> where none exists. The Board did not resolve to “reserve[s] >> .INTERNAL from [normal|secure] delegation”. They resolved to >> “reserve .INTERNAL from delegation”. The resolution could not be >> more clear. >> >> The fact of the matter is that some people want “no delegation” >> and some people want “insecure delegation”. That ship has sailed, >> and we ended up with “no delegation”. DNSOP can’t change that. >> >> My suggestion for the people in the “insecure delegation” camp is >> to petition the SSAC to write a document asking for a different name >> to be insecurely delegated. I see the benefits of both camps, so >> I’m not advocating for one or the other. But for .internal this >> really can’t be changed at this point. > > Just to clarify: Are you suggesting ICANN board cannot ever issue > another resolution on this matter? > I can’t speak for the Board, I can only read what they publish and interpret it. From the Board paper on the subject: “The BTC [Board Technical Comittee] recommends that the Board reserve the string .INTERNAL permanently from delegation in the DNS root zone.”[1] Or the supporting text in the resolution: “ What is the proposal being considered? The Board is considering whether to reserve .INTERNAL from insertion in the DNS root zone permanently. Applicants of the next and subsequent gTLD application rounds will not be able to apply for the .INTERNAL top-level domain. “[2] There is also the Board’s interpretation of what SAC113 recommended: “Along with recommending that the Board identify and reserve in perpetuity a single string at the top-level of the DNS, SAC113 Section 4.1 ..“[1] So we have at least 2 ‘permanently’s and 1 ‘in perpetuity’. To know definitively whether those words can constrain future Board resolutions would require a time machine, which we don’t have. So the best I can do is point at those words. --Andrew [1] https://itp.cdn.icann.org/en/files/board-meetings/briefing-materials/briefing-materials-1-29-07-2024-en.pdf [2] https://www.icann.org/en/board-activities-and-meetings/materials/approved-resolutions-special-meeting-of-the-icann-board-29-07-2024-en
- [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-davies-internal-… Benno Overeinder
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Loganaden Velvindron
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Wessels, Duane
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Manu Bretelle
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Karim Attoumani Mohamed
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Geoff Huston
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… S Moonesamy
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Benno Overeinder
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… tojens.ietf
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Warren Kumari
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Petr Špaček
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… David Conrad
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… David Conrad
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… Jim Reid
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… Ben Schwartz
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Wessels, Duane
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… Jim Reid
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… Jim Reid
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… Karl Dyson
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Shumon Huque
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Karl Dyson
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Wessels, Duane
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Peter Thomassen
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… John R Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… John R Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… John R Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Andrew McConachie
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Petr Špaček
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Jim Reid
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… S Moonesamy
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Kim Davies
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Dave Lawrence
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Michael De Roover
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Peter Thomassen
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP[Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Ted Lemon
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Ted Lemon
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Ted Lemon
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… Roy Arends
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… David Conrad
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… Ben Schwartz
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Roy Arends
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… Roy Arends
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Michael De Roover
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… Ben Schwartz
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Petr Špaček
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Ado… Suzanne Woolf
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… David Conrad
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… Ted Lemon
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… Suzanne Woolf
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Andrew McConachie
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Mark Andrews
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Andrew McConachie
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Mark Andrews
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Peter Thomassen
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPCall for Adoption: draft-davies-… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Ted Lemon
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Warren Kumari
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… Michael De Roover
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… David Conrad
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… David Conrad
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Jim Reid
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… Petr Špaček
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… David Conrad
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… Karl Dyson
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Michael De Roover
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Wessels, Duane
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP[Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… John R Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Kevin P. Fleming
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Ted Lemon
- [DNSOP] Re: what problem are we trying to solve, … John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: what problem are we trying … Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… John R Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Ado… Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Libor Peltan
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: what problem are we trying … Mark Andrews
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Ted Lemon
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: what problem are we trying … Ted Lemon
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Geoff Huston
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Shumon Huque
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Mark Andrews
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Michael De Roover
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Ted Lemon
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… Andrew Sullivan
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Peter Thomassen
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Michael De Roover
- [DNSOP] Re: what problem are we trying to solve, … John R Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… John R Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Michael De Roover
- [DNSOP] Re: what problem are we trying to solve, … Ted Lemon
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… John R Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… Ted Lemon
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Michael De Roover
- [DNSOP] Re: what problem are we trying to solve, … Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: what problem are we trying … Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Benno Overeinder
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: what problem are we trying … Petr Špaček
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: what problem are we trying … Ted Lemon
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Mark Andrews
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: what problem are we trying … Ted Lemon
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: what problem are we trying … John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Jim Reid
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: what problem are we trying … Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Mark Andrews
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: what problem are we trying … Ted Lemon
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: what problem are we trying … Petr Špaček
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: what problem are we trying … John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: what problem are we trying … Mark Andrews
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: what problem are we trying … John R Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: what problem are we trying … Mark Andrews
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… Ben Schwartz
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: what problem are we trying … Benno Overeinder
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: what problem are we trying … Brian Dickson
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… Petr Špaček
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Ted Lemon