Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-dns-rpz

Barry Raveendran Greene <bgreene@senki.org> Mon, 09 January 2017 03:35 UTC

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From: Barry Raveendran Greene <bgreene@senki.org>
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-dns-rpz
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> On Jan 8, 2017, at 6:54 AM, Scott Schmit <i.grok@comcast.net> wrote:
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> Eventually, if DNSSEC verification on endpoints becomes widespread,
> operators will need to turn to other means or break DNSSEC in these
> cases (but redirection will stop working).

Bad guys are not going to take the time to use DNSSEC to build a path that can be followed to their place of operations.

So the argument that “DNSSEC deployment will obsolete the industry need for RPZ” does not match reality.