Re: [DNSOP] New draft, seeking comments: draft-sah-resolver-information

"John R Levine" <johnl@taugh.com> Fri, 03 May 2019 15:51 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] New draft, seeking comments: draft-sah-resolver-information
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>> server.  I suppose you could find your DoH server by name, but if you
>> can do that, you could equally well find your DoT or .well-known
>> server by name and define the problem out of existence.
>
> I think it's best to verify by name, even if the DNS server is reached
> through a hard-configured IP.  That's what we implemented for Knot
> Resolver, at least.  On a related note, I'd also expect to send the name
> as SNI by default; 8.8.8.8 was not even sending me a certificate unless
> I sent SNI (only when using TLS 1.3 though)

When I said verify by name I meant by DNS name, so the certs can be signed 
by the existing ACME protocol or whatever.

Regards,
John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY
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