Re: [DNSOP] [EXT] Re: draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns-alt-tld

George Michaelson <ggm@algebras.org> Mon, 08 August 2022 04:17 UTC

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From: George Michaelson <ggm@algebras.org>
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2022 14:17:10 +1000
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] [EXT] Re: draft-schanzen-gns and draft-ietf-dns-alt-tld
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Not trying to say you're wrong,

I just observe that if there is an omnibar, and people type names into
it, then there is a latent problem of ordering lookup, and deciding,
in names and more than one namespace. Pretty much all the hard stuff
stems from there IMO.

Names are hard. I think belief in the value of a unitary namespace as
a commons probably always transcended the DNS specifically. We're just
in denial what "it" is that we're fighting to defend.  DNSSEC made
this perhaps more focally clear: the specific value here is (in my
opinion) in "which TA do you respect" and how that goes to "which name
do you believe" which in this case goes to "which namespace do you
prefer, deciding which names to accept"

The unitary namespace belief, goes pretty rapidly to "how many
distinct, independently managed TA do you want to respect proving
names" as a cross product with "when, in which order, and why, and
what do you do if they collide or disagree"

If GNS is glued into DNS as a sub-arc over a label we understand, the
possibility of some unity, fusion of purpose exists. If it squats, or
is pushed aside, then that possibility disappears.

To me, thats the problem. Not that we're finding this is ugly, or we
like or dislike a reserved label like this, or want to never invoke
the method we documented to do this thing, or hate ICANN or a hundred
other things: its the loss of fusion of behaviour, if we don't come to
some sense of agreement in what names are, respecting locators (and
addresses)

-G