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[DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-internal-tld

John R Levine <johnl@taugh.com> Fri, 09 May 2025 20:56 UTC

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Subject: [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-internal-tld
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On Fri, 9 May 2025, Michael De Roover wrote:
> I dunno, my name is not Kim. But if it is to go into the PSL, then probably it
> should go into the IANA doc first. I mean, the more consensus on this .internal
> name, the higher the chance it gets actually adopted, right?

Consensus is a very loose term.  I would guess that most of the people 
running networks that have private internal TLDs have no idea who the IETF 
is, who sets the rules for the way the Internet works, and wouldn't use 
DNSSEC even if they knew what it is.

I'm still not seeing anything for the IETF to do here, other than perhaps 
explore potential ways to distribute local trust anchors.

R's,
John

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