Re: [DNSOP] nsec3-parameters opinions gathered
Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca> Mon, 08 November 2021 18:20 UTC
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] nsec3-parameters opinions gathered
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On Mon, 8 Nov 2021, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: These points make a good starting point for a draft recommending to not use NSEC3: > * Accept that sufficiently determined adversaries will mount a dictionary > attack, but there won't be many of them. Make do with NSEC3 and zero > iterations. > > * Accept that your zone data is not secret, publish vanilla NSEC records > and let the zone walkers go at it. For some TLDs, spin up a public > AXFR service, or make zone data available via HTTPS, call it "Open Data". > > * Use NSEC in combination with online signing (with ECDSA P256(13)), using > minimal covering NSEC RRS. These *actually* preclude offline dictionary > attacks at the cost of online signing of negative answers. If not leaking > zone data is important enough, this is the actually secure way to get there. It just needs a little chat about OPT-OUT as well, and that this might save memory and bandwidth, but has a security price associated with it. Paul ps. guess i should do an algo roll from nsec3 to nsec now for my own zone :)
- [DNSOP] nsec3-parameters opinions gathered Wes Hardaker
- Re: [DNSOP] nsec3-parameters opinions gathered Miek Gieben
- Re: [DNSOP] nsec3-parameters opinions gathered Vladimír Čunát
- Re: [DNSOP] nsec3-parameters opinions gathered Benno Overeinder
- Re: [DNSOP] nsec3-parameters opinions gathered Olafur Gudmundsson
- Re: [DNSOP] nsec3-parameters opinions gathered Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [DNSOP] nsec3-parameters opinions gathered Wes Hardaker
- Re: [DNSOP] nsec3-parameters opinions gathered Wes Hardaker
- Re: [DNSOP] nsec3-parameters opinions gathered Miek Gieben
- Re: [DNSOP] nsec3-parameters opinions gathered Matthijs Mekking
- Re: [DNSOP] nsec3-parameters opinions gathered Petr Špaček
- Re: [DNSOP] nsec3-parameters opinions gathered Wes Hardaker
- Re: [DNSOP] nsec3-parameters opinions gathered Wes Hardaker
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] nsec3-parameters opinions gathe… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] nsec3-parameters opinions gathered A. Schulze
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] nsec3-parameters opinions gathe… Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] nsec3-parameters opinions gathered Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [DNSOP] nsec3-parameters opinions gathered Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [DNSOP] nsec3-parameters opinions gathered Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] nsec3-parameters opinions gathered Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] nsec3-parameters opinions gathered Petr Špaček
- Re: [DNSOP] nsec3-parameters opinions gathered Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [DNSOP] nsec3-parameters opinions gathered Petr Špaček
- Re: [DNSOP] nsec3-parameters opinions gathered Michael Bauland
- Re: [DNSOP] nsec3-parameters opinions gathered Viktor Dukhovni