Re: [DNSOP] [Doh] Resolverless DNS Side Meeting in Montreal
Joe Abley <jabley@hopcount.ca> Tue, 10 July 2018 16:34 UTC
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] [Doh] Resolverless DNS Side Meeting in Montreal
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On Jul 10, 2018, at 17:22, Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com> wrote: > Basically, you're describing a solution space that could be realized as something like: > > <img src="https://example.com/img/f.jpg" ip="192.0.2.1"> Ok, interesting. I would suggest considering a richer scheme that accommodates address families and multiple addresses with priorities, but I see how that kind of thing would allow a client to do so certificate matching and resource retrieval without using the DNS. > But this is really equivalent in just about every important way to sending the normal <img src="https://example.com/img/f.jpg"> along with a pushed DNS record that indicates that "example.com" resolves to "192.0.2.1" -- and this latter thing is (to my understanding, at least) in scope of the conversation that Patrick is proposing to have. My question is why you would involve the DNS at all if all the performance-based resolution decisions can be made without it. You're just adding cost and complexity without benefit. > Note: I'm not saying anything about the trust issues that arise in either case, and I'm not trying to gloss over the need to perform a really careful analysis; Likewise. However, I think DNS protocol advice is probably more useful as input to the analysis if it's clear that the DNS is necessarily involved. Joe
- Re: [DNSOP] Resolverless DNS Side Meeting in Mont… Philip Homburg
- Re: [DNSOP] Resolverless DNS Side Meeting in Mont… Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] [Doh] Resolverless DNS Side Meeting i… manu tman
- Re: [DNSOP] Resolverless DNS Side Meeting in Mont… Patrick McManus
- Re: [DNSOP] [Doh] Resolverless DNS Side Meeting i… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [DNSOP] [Doh] Resolverless DNS Side Meeting i… Patrick McManus
- Re: [DNSOP] [Doh] Resolverless DNS Side Meeting i… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] [Doh] Resolverless DNS Side Meeting i… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] [Doh] Resolverless DNS Side Meeting i… Adam Roach
- Re: [DNSOP] Resolverless DNS Side Meeting in Mont… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] [Driu] Resolverless DNS Side Meeting … Patrick McManus
- Re: [DNSOP] [Driu] Resolverless DNS Side Meeting … Ted Lemon
- [DNSOP] Resolverless DNS Side Meeting in Montreal Patrick McManus
- Re: [DNSOP] [Doh] Resolverless DNS Side Meeting i… Dave Lawrence
- Re: [DNSOP] [Doh] Resolverless DNS Side Meeting i… Adam Roach
- Re: [DNSOP] [Doh] Resolverless DNS Side Meeting i… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] [Driu] [Doh] Resolverless DNS Side Me… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] [Driu] [Doh] Resolverless DNS Side Me… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] [Doh] Resolverless DNS Side Meeting i… Adam Roach
- Re: [DNSOP] [Driu] [Doh] Resolverless DNS Side Me… Adam Roach
- Re: [DNSOP] [Driu] [Doh] Resolverless DNS Side Me… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] [Doh] Resolverless DNS Side Meeting i… Patrick McManus
- Re: [DNSOP] [Doh] Resolverless DNS Side Meeting i… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] [Driu] [Doh] Resolverless DNS Side Me… Philip Homburg
- Re: [DNSOP] [Doh] [Driu] Resolverless DNS Side Me… Adam Roach
- Re: [DNSOP] [Driu] [Doh] Resolverless DNS Side Me… Ryan Sleevi
- Re: [DNSOP] [Doh] Resolverless DNS Side Meeting i… Dave Lawrence
- Re: [DNSOP] [Doh] Resolverless DNS Side Meeting i… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] [Doh] Resolverless DNS Side Meeting i… Adam Roach
- Re: [DNSOP] [Driu] [Doh] Resolverless DNS Side Me… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] [Doh] Resolverless DNS Side Meeting i… Dave Lawrence
- Re: [DNSOP] [Driu] [Doh] Resolverless DNS Side Me… Mike Bishop
- Re: [DNSOP] [Doh] Resolverless DNS Side Meeting i… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [DNSOP] [Driu] [Doh] Resolverless DNS Side Me… Ryan Sleevi
- [DNSOP] SRV and HTTP Mark Nottingham
- Re: [DNSOP] SRV and HTTP Ólafur Guðmundsson
- Re: [DNSOP] SRV and HTTP Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] SRV and HTTP Mark Nottingham
- Re: [DNSOP] SRV and HTTP Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] SRV and HTTP Dave Lawrence
- Re: [DNSOP] SRV and HTTP Dave Lawrence
- Re: [DNSOP] SRV and HTTP Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] SRV and HTTP - 18:30 Tuesday Mark Nottingham
- Re: [DNSOP] SRV and HTTP John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] SRV and HTTP Evan Hunt
- Re: [DNSOP] SRV and HTTP John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] SRV and HTTP Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] SRV and HTTP Patrik Fältström
- Re: [DNSOP] SRV and HTTP Patrik Fältström
- Re: [DNSOP] SRV and HTTP Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] [Doh] [Driu] Resolverless DNS Side Me… Petr Špaček
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Re: [Doh] [Driu] Resolverless D… Edward Lewis
- Re: [DNSOP] SRV and HTTP Leif Hedstrom
- Re: [DNSOP] SRV and HTTP Patrik Fältström
- Re: [DNSOP] [Doh] [Driu] Resolverless DNS Side Me… Mike Bishop
- Re: [DNSOP] SRV and HTTP Nico Williams
- Re: [DNSOP] [Doh] SRV and HTTP Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [DNSOP] SRV and HTTP Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] SRV and HTTP Nico Williams
- Re: [DNSOP] SRV and HTTP Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] SRV and HTTP - 18:30 Tuesday (room ch… Mark Nottingham
- Re: [DNSOP] [Doh] SRV and HTTP - 18:30 Tuesday (r… Shane Kerr
- Re: [DNSOP] [Driu] [Doh] SRV and HTTP - 18:30 Tue… Jim Reid
- Re: [DNSOP] [Doh] SRV and HTTP - 18:30 Tuesday (r… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [DNSOP] [Doh] SRV and HTTP - 18:30 Tuesday (r… Ray Bellis
- Re: [DNSOP] [Driu] [Doh] SRV and HTTP - 18:30 Tue… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] Resolverless DNS Side Meeting in Mont… Patrick McManus
- Re: [DNSOP] [Doh] SRV and HTTP - 18:30 Tuesday (r… Sebastiaan Deckers
- Re: [DNSOP] [Doh] SRV and HTTP - 18:30 Tuesday (r… Adam Roach
- Re: [DNSOP] [Doh] SRV and HTTP - 18:30 Tuesday (r… Adam Roach