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From: Steve Crocker <steve@shinkuro.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2026 10:26:10 -0500
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Paul,

I, for one, am interested in why you do not think hyperlocal root is
beneficial.

Steve

Sent by a Verified

sender


On Mon, Feb 2, 2026 at 10:24=E2=80=AFAM Paul Vixie <paul=3D
40redbarn.org@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

> Jim, if we believe hyper local root has benefits which outweigh its
> complexity costs [noting: I do not] then timeliness, authenticity, and
> network load are still vital. Dnssec and ixfr must therefore also be vita=
l.
> This would justify fine tuning of the dnssec part in order to optimize th=
e
> ixfr part. I respect your caution but we have already thrown caution to t=
he
> wind on this topic.
> Paul Vixie
>
> Jan 30, 2026 13:19:45 Jim Reid <Jim@RFC1035.com>:
>
>
>
> On 30 Jan 2026, at 19:24, Ben Schwartz <bemasc=3D40meta.com@dmarc.ietf.or=
g>
> wrote:
>
> Can, and should, the IETF advise DNS root zone signers to adjust their
> behavior to improve support for IXFR?
>
>
> Maybe, maybe not. Before the IETF starts solutioneering on this topic,
> gathering more data would be advisable: ie is there a problem here that
> needs fixing? Optimising for root zone ixfrs is all very well in the
> abstract and I recognise it's at least a theoretical problem. But would i=
t
> make a material difference?
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">Paul,</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">=
I, for one, am interested in why you do not think hyperlocal root is benefi=
cial.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Steve<br clear=3D"=
all"><br clear=3D"all"><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_si=
gnature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"=
display:none">Sent by a Verified</div>
    <div style=3D"display:block"><br></div>
  <div style=3D"display:none">sender</div></div></div></div></div><div><br>=
</div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D=
"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 2, 2026 at 10:24=E2=80=AFAM Paul Vix=
ie &lt;paul=3D<a href=3D"mailto:40redbarn.org@dmarc.ietf.org">40redbarn.org=
@dmarc.ietf.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
=20
 =20
=20
 <div>
  <span dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Jim, if we belie=
ve hyper local root has benefits which outweigh its complexity costs [notin=
g: I do not] then timeliness, authenticity, and network load are still vita=
l. Dnssec and ixfr must therefore also be vital. This would justify fine tu=
ning of the dnssec part in order to optimize the ixfr part. I respect your =
caution but we have already thrown caution to the wind on this topic. </spa=
n>
  <br>
  <div>
   <span dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Paul Vixie</spa=
n>
   <br>
  </div>
  <div>
   <div dir=3D"ltr">
    <p>Jan 30, 2026 13:19:45 Jim Reid &lt;Jim@RFC1035.com&gt;:</p>
   </div></div></div><div><div>
   <blockquote dir=3D"auto" style=3D"margin:0;border-left:3px solid #ccc;pa=
dding-left:10px;line-break:after-white-space">
    <div>
     <br>
     <br>
     <blockquote type=3D"cite">
      On 30 Jan 2026, at 19:24, Ben Schwartz &lt;bemasc=3D<a href=3D"mailto=
:40meta.com@dmarc.ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">40meta.com@dmarc.ietf.org</a>=
&gt; wrote:=20
      <br>
      <br>
       Can, and should, the IETF advise DNS root zone signers to adjust the=
ir behavior to improve support for IXFR?=20
      <br>
     </blockquote>
     <br>
      Maybe, maybe not. Before the IETF starts solutioneering on this topic=
, gathering more data would be advisable: ie is there a problem here that n=
eeds fixing? Optimising for root zone ixfrs is all very well in the abstrac=
t and I recognise it&#39;s at least a theoretical problem. But would it mak=
e a material difference?=20
     <br>
     <br>
    </div>
   </blockquote>
  </div>
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