Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovation (was Re: draft-hzhwm-start-tls-for-dns-00)
"John Levine" <johnl@taugh.com> Mon, 17 February 2014 03:41 UTC
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovation (was Re: draft-hzhwm-start-tls-for-dns-00)
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>The largest problem for IETF and DNS innovation is that the consensus in >IETF seems to be that innovation of DNS is not possible unless it >involves reuse of the TXT resource record. Yes, sort of. The consensus in one part of the IETF is that adding new RR types is too hard due to DNS server upgrades and particularly to the web crudware that most people use to provision their DNS. The consensus in another part of the IETF is that adding new RR types is trivial, and anyone who thinks otherwise is stupid. (I oversimplify but not by much.) I've had a draft kicking around for a while, with recent additions from Vixie, of an RR config language to allow the DNS to be largely self-describing, with most new RR types having names and formats published in a well known place so the servers and crudware can handle new RRs without software upgrades (after a one-off upgrade to handle the config language itself) or config changes. The responses to the draft have been most educational. R's, John
- [DNSOP] draft-hzhwm-start-tls-for-dns-00: Startin… Zi Hu
- Re: [DNSOP] draft-hzhwm-start-tls-for-dns-00: Sta… Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] draft-hzhwm-start-tls-for-dns-00: Sta… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] draft-hzhwm-start-tls-for-dns-00: Sta… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] draft-hzhwm-start-tls-for-dns-00: Sta… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] [perpass] draft-hzhwm-start-tls-for-d… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] draft-hzhwm-start-tls-for-dns-00: Sta… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] [perpass] draft-hzhwm-start-tls-for-d… Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] draft-hzhwm-start-tls-for-dns-00: Sta… Paul Wouters
- [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovation … David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Dave Crocker
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Christian Grothoff
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Dave Crocker
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [DNSOP] [perpass] draft-hzhwm-start-tls-for-d… Watson Ladd
- Re: [DNSOP] [perpass] draft-hzhwm-start-tls-for-d… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] [perpass] draft-hzhwm-start-tls-for-d… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Jay Daley
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… joel jaeggli
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… David Conrad
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Olafur Gudmundsson
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… SM
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… SM
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Mark Delany
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Mark Delany
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… George Michaelson
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] meta issue: WG to discuss DNS innovat… SM