Re: [DNSOP] QNAME minimisation on the standards track?

manu tman <chantr4@gmail.com> Wed, 18 July 2018 05:33 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] QNAME minimisation on the standards track?
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I'd like to see this standardized too.

Side note: I would also be interested to get a return of experience from
people operating qname minimization at scale, the type of issues
encountered, what are the ratios of such errors.... hint @marek :)

Manu

On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 2:35 PM Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca> wrote:

> On Tue, 17 Jul 2018, tjw ietf wrote:
>
> > Subject: Re: [DNSOP] QNAME minimisation on the standards track?
> >
> > I’d like to see a more fleshed out operational considerations section.
>
> That would be good indeed. Especially with respect to broken DNS load
> balancers.
>
> I have enabled it in Fedora from the start and did run into a few problem
> domains, and some people turning it off. But that happened less than I
> had expected. Red Hat did not yet enable this in RHEL7 but it is planned
> to be enabled in RHEL8.
>
> But I do believe qname minimisation is an important privacy enhancing
> technology that we should strongly promote as a standards track
> document.
>
> Paul
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