Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for: draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf
Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> Thu, 12 July 2018 13:09 UTC
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To: Dick Franks <rwfranks@acm.org>
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for: draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf
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On 7/12/2018 3:09 AM, Dick Franks wrote: >> So there's now text in attrleaf that explains about hierarchy, top, >> highest, and the original presentation convention of right, but >> noting that other presentations are possible. > > > IMO unnecessary. > This will inevitably either overlap or conflict with the draft > RFC7719-bis DNS terminology document. I don't understand what 'overlap' you think will exist, but am pretty sure I don't agree. > Better to use already battle-hardened terminology throughout and add > RFC7719-bis citation. If it is that battle-hardened for this type of use, then there is no doubt a single term in the draft that has already gained widespread use. Which one is it? > >> It then declares the term 'global' as referring to the node name of >> interest and only uses that term in the rest of the document. >> > > "global" does not tick the right box for me. And yet that's the distinguishing name of the attrleaf table in the drafts and has been for quite a long time. There haven't been any objections to that term until now. > Perhaps the underscore-prefixed label (sequence? / tree?) needs to be > described as subordinate to (or rooted at?) a "principal name". Perhaps you have some usability data that demonstrates pragmatic superiority of a particular choice over 'global' for /this/ kind of use and can point to the entry in the bis document that already defines it? Note that the choice echoes the use of 'global dns' that /is/ listed, to get at the semantics of the 'reach' for the highest-level underscore name. > (Well, there are a couple of places where 'highest' was needed as > clarification.) > > Stephane: "more/most general" Except that that has no obvious semantic merit, whereas 'highest' is directly motivated by referring to position in a hierarchy. > otherwise: "closer/closest to the root" Why? d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net
- Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for: draft-ie… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for: draft-ie… Dave Crocker
- Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for: draft-ie… Dave Crocker
- Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for: draft-ie… Dave Crocker
- Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for: draft-ie… Dave Crocker
- Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for: draft-ie… John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for: draft-ie… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for: draft-ie… Ray Bellis
- Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for: draft-ie… Dave Crocker
- Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for: draft-ie… John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for: draft-ie… Dave Crocker
- Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for: draft-ie… Ray Bellis
- Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for: draft-ie… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for: draft-ie… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for: draft-ie… Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for: draft-ietf-d… Benno Overeinder
- Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for: draft-ie… Dave Crocker
- Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for: draft-ie… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for: draft-ie… Dick Franks
- Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for: draft-ie… Benno Overeinder
- Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for: draft-ie… Dave Crocker
- Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for: draft-ie… Jan Včelák
- Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for: draft-ie… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for: draft-ie… Benno Overeinder
- Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for: draft-ie… Ondřej Surý
- Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for: draft-ie… Ondřej Surý
- Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for: draft-ie… Dick Franks
- Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for: draft-ie… Dave Crocker
- Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for: draft-ie… Dick Franks
- Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for: draft-ie… Dave Crocker
- Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for: draft-ie… Dave Crocker
- Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for: draft-ie… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for: draft-ie… Dave Crocker
- Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for: draft-ie… Tim Wicinski
- Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for: draft-ie… Dave Crocker