Re: [DNSOP] moving forward on special use names

"John Levine" <johnl@taugh.com> Fri, 16 September 2016 18:14 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] moving forward on special use names
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>The drafts are:
>	https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-tldr-sutld-ps/
>	https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-adpkja-dnsop-special-names-problem/

Having read them both, neither one thrills me but I'd give the nod to
adpkja.  The "Internet Names" in tldr seems to me a bad idea, since
there are a lot of other names on the Internet such as URIs and handle
system names, and this is about domain names.

It seems to me there are four kinds of names we have to worry about, and
neither draft calls them all out clearly:

* Names resolved globally with the DNS protocol, i.e.
  ordinary DNS names

* Names resolved globally with an agreed non-DNS protocol, e.g.
  .onion via ToR

* Names resolved locally with an agreed non-DNS protocol, e.g,
  .local via mDNS

* Names resolved locally with unknown protocols, e.g. .corp and
  .home, the toxic waste names

R's,
John