Re: [DNSOP] [v6ops] [IANA #989438] ipv4only.arpa's delegation should be insecure.

Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Tue, 19 June 2018 01:36 UTC

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From: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2018 21:35:51 -0400
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To: David Schinazi <dschinazi@apple.com>
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] [v6ops] [IANA #989438] ipv4only.arpa's delegation should be insecure.
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You should steal the text from the dot home RFC.

On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 9:30 PM David Schinazi <dschinazi@apple.com> wrote:

> Hi, responses inline.
>
> On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 11:16 PM Mark Andrews <marka@isc.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> This does not meet my requirements. There is zero need for any part of
>> the normal DNS resolution
>
> process to know the IPV4ONLY.ARPA is special if IANA stopped signing the
>> zone.
>
>
> Could you take a look at draft-cheshire-sudn-ipv4only-dot-arpa please? It
> explains why some parts of the DNS resolution process do need to treat
> ipv4only.arpa as special, regardless of DNSSEC.
>
> On Jun 13, 2018, at 19:19, Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> wrote:
>
>
> I read that a few times, and even when squinting I cannot figure out how
> that is supposed to work. Can someone enlighten me? I can see how a signed
> ipv4only.arpa allows a validating DNS64 server to validate the (well
> known!) v4 addresses, but the malicious AAAA RR detection bit confuses me...
>
>
> I agree, there is no point in signing the A records for ipv4only.arpa
> since they are well-known, and for the same reason there is no point in
> checking it. So having A records signed or unsigned is irrelevant since no
> one should be querying for these A records anyway. Similarly, since the
> whole purpose of the AAAA records for ipv4only.arpa is to be overridden by
> a DNS64 recursive resolver which is not owned by .arpa, checking signatures
> will not validate anything useful.
>
> I agree with Mark's point that queries will fail when the client is behind
> a validating resolver that has no special knowledge of ipv4only.arpa.
>
> To resolve this, we'll update draft-cheshire-sudn-ipv4only-dot-arpa to
> mention that ipv4only.arpa MUST NOT be signed.
>
> Thanks,
> David
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