Re: [DNSOP] partial glue is not enough, I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-glue-is-not-optional-00.txt

Joe Abley <jabley@hopcount.ca> Tue, 07 July 2020 17:01 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] partial glue is not enough, I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-glue-is-not-optional-00.txt
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On Jul 7, 2020, at 12:57, Havard Eidnes <he=40uninett.no@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

>>> this is the draft where that issue would be decided, so it's
>>> good we're talking about it. ...
>>
>> by the way, this is what kato and i, and later jabley, were
>> trying to get at with
>>
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-respsize/
>>
>> but it was like moving mud with a toothpick, so after eleven
>> years (2003 to 2014) we gave it up. there are probably some
>> good ideas in there, even now.
>
> I've read it, and most of it makes perfect sense to me (I think I
> have one paragraph I'd like to discuss).
>
> When you say it was like "moving mud with a toothpick", was there
> any active opposition to the draft, or was it just a lack of
> engagement?

I think there was a general lack of interest. I still think this is a
good document and would be happy to continue working on it if the
pendulum has swung the other way.


Joe