[DNSOP] Fwd: Working Group Last Call on draft-ietf-dnsop-terminology-bis

william manning <chinese.apricot@gmail.com> Fri, 06 July 2018 04:57 UTC

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From: william manning <chinese.apricot@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call on
draft-ietf-dnsop-terminology-bis
To: George Michaelson <ggm@algebras.org>


true enough,  there is a single, canonical dnssec signed zone which can
only be generated with explicit, auditable permission of the zone
authority.

/Wm

On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 4:38 PM, George Michaelson <ggm@algebras.org> wrote:

> Only the zone authority can publish a DNSSEC signed zone.
>
> Anyone can claim to publish a view of a non-DNSSEC signed zone.
>
> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 7:11 PM, Dick Franks <rwfranks@acm.org> wrote:
> >
> > On 3 July 2018 at 16:40, Joe Abley <jabley@hopcount.ca> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 3 Jul 2018, at 09:11, Matthew Pounsett <matt@conundrum.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > This is not a complete review of the latest revision.. I'm hoping to
> get
> >> > to that in a day or two.   But I've got a question about whether
> something
> >> > should be added to the document..
> >> >
> >> > A question came up in conversation recently about the use of the verb
> >> > "to publish" in reference to managing DNS data.  It quickly became
> clear
> >> > that there may be a common overloading of terms, where the same word
> means
> >> > different things to different people.  I wasn't sure this fell into
> the
> >> > scope of the terminology document, but I just checked and it does use
> >> > "publish" in reference to DNS data, so perhaps we should come up with
> a
> >> > definition for that.
> >> >
> >> > To me, publishing DNS data has always meant the generation of the zone
> >> > and the data it contains, as distinct from distributing the zone (to
> name
> >> > servers, possibly though zone transfer) and serving the zone (making
> it
> >> > available to be queried on a name server).  To the person I was
> speaking to,
> >> > "publishing" meant putting that data on Internet-facing name servers
> that
> >> > would answer queries about it.
> >>
> >> To me, DNS data is published when it is made available to actors who
> wish
> >> to consume it. That means serving the data (i.e. having servers with the
> >> data available to answer queries). I have never heard "publish" used to
> mean
> >> zone generation. A zone, once generated, is not published until it is
> >> available for access by others.
> >
> >
> > agree, the word carries the usual dictionary meaning:
> >
> >  publish  v.t. to make public; to divulge; to announce; to proclaim; to
> set
> > forth to the public;
> >    to put forth and offer for sale orig. any article, now books,
> newspapers,
> > etc.;
> >    to put into circulation.
> >
> > zone generation without the "setting forth" does not appear to qualify.
> >
> >
> > Dick
> >
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