Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-bellis-dnsop-session-signal-00.txt

Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Wed, 06 July 2016 22:37 UTC

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From: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-bellis-dnsop-session-signal-00.txt
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I suspected as much, but it would be good to come up with some language
that says what you intend and gives a TCP connection as an example.   I'm
not entirely convinced that DNS cookie is a bad use case for this... :)

On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 3:32 PM, Ray Bellis <ray@isc.org> wrote:

> On 06/07/2016 23:28, Ted Lemon wrote:
> > Hm, you seem to have left out a definition of what a "session" is.   Do
> > you mean a TCP connection?   Are you referring to something that's
> > already defined in a document that I have, lamentably, not read?  (In
> > which case, a reference would be helpful).
>
> See the editorial note at the end of §3:
>
>   << RB: OSI Layer 5 session analog?  This is obviously intended for
>    TCP "sessions" which aren't distinct from Layer 4, but is this also
>    applicable to DNS-o-DTLS, or DNS over UDP with an EDNS cookie - I
>    think probably "yes" for the former, but "no" for the latter.  I'm
>    wondering whether "session" is even the right term to be using
>    here >>
>
> So, yes, our start point is TCP, but it might apply to other protocols
> that give the effect of a single end-to-end connection.  That's TBD.
>
> Ray
>
>