IETF Logo Mail Archive

[DNSOP] 答复: a fragmented and uncooperative Internet

Davey Song(宋林健) <ljsong@biigroup.cn> Thu, 21 September 2017 09:26 UTC

Return-Path: <ljsong@biigroup.cn>
X-Original-To: dnsop@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: dnsop@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 152A61345DF for <dnsop@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Sep 2017 02:26:10 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -4.132
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.132 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, INVALID_MSGID=0.568, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FW5Ax2uu3Fv8 for <dnsop@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 21 Sep 2017 02:26:05 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from smtpproxy19.qq.com (smtpproxy19.qq.com [184.105.206.84]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A0E1F1345E3 for <dnsop@ietf.org>; Thu, 21 Sep 2017 02:26:04 -0700 (PDT)
X-QQ-mid: bizesmtp5t1505985959tbnprr91g
Received: from sljpc (unknown [118.145.7.179]) by esmtp4.qq.com (ESMTP) with id ; Thu, 21 Sep 2017 17:25:58 +0800 (CST)
X-QQ-SSF: 00400000004000F0FxF0000A0000000
X-QQ-FEAT: 9MsTBLS6yXEvSwSQ4q1DDXrU5Z2AU0b7kX16N2PCt1gW707yW6otKWVkQ54dj qTd5hoP1APzgN7Fdzg4pctkN8uzEwJjIIGf4nrtV9cT09ZH6c0csY45biszyO7ZbFzS+zq3 OdH4dz7ZFDYuJa17a2JQUulFowVxpcLGWZHsfC7nVvLCnAM8Pj7VyeGNQU4m1hP113U/FsV E+qrQMWxQFeF9Q8zN4VKodxIiDuGeTUTfZZrbL9XL5t9RABd2q08SQSQ8FLHc/dYy4F8oCZ ksO8JiPH0OolQHE2B9xhDvE8KemaoGzZZxrbAp6tChblYZPLG6EpWIk5g=
X-QQ-GoodBg: 2
From: "Davey Song(宋林健)" <ljsong@biigroup.cn>
To: 'Jim Reid' <jim@rfc1035.com>
Cc: 'Paul Vixie' <paul@redbarn.org>, 'dnsop WG' <dnsop@ietf.org>
References: <150509601027.9852.16967877638602485585@ietfa.amsl.com> <CAAObRXJ6wJGCXkbKVkNmQCJ8NccBT63A8-9-LiRVZCFsDicchw@mail.gmail.com> <CACfw2hhaKTyfJfjQ5-_kfqiHX1oX+9P6mUWD06B87y_2ysdztA@mail.gmail.com> <045b01d33288$d3fadad0$7bf09070$@cn> <59C34510.4080705@redbarn.org> <048701d332a8$6f944980$4ebcdc80$@cn> <7173DD0A-5B97-48F4-98A1-417FFC11C3D6@rfc1035.com>
In-Reply-To: <7173DD0A-5B97-48F4-98A1-417FFC11C3D6@rfc1035.com>
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2017 17:26:02 +0800
Message-ID: <04b201d332bb$a5184260$ef48c720$@cn>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0
Content-Language: zh-cn
Thread-Index: AdMyql0AbrLKO0owQ/WgRNmIDnNe9AAEQulw
X-QQ-SENDSIZE: 520
Feedback-ID: bizesmtp:biigroup.cn:qybgforeign:qybgforeign4
X-QQ-Bgrelay: 1
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dnsop/YOgT5JWMBm9wiqDTkOuZ-ou8LWI>
Subject: [DNSOP] 答复: a fragmented and uncooperative Internet
X-BeenThere: dnsop@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF DNSOP WG mailing list <dnsop.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/dnsop>, <mailto:dnsop-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/dnsop/>
List-Post: <mailto:dnsop@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:dnsop-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop>, <mailto:dnsop-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2017 09:26:10 -0000

OK. I finally understand the context of the word " Darwinism " in many IETF discussion and slides. Haha~

Davey
> -----邮件原件-----
> 发件人: Jim Reid [mailto:jim@rfc1035.com]
> 发送时间: 2017年9月21日 15:22
> 收件人: "Davey Song(宋林健)"
> 抄送: Paul Vixie; dnsop WG
> 主题: a fragmented and uncooperative Internet
> 
> 
> > On 21 Sep 2017, at 08:08, Davey Song(宋林健) <ljsong@biigroup.cn> wrote:
> >
> > In another word, we are facing the fragmented and uncooperative Internet.
> What should we do ?
> 
> Switch it off? Hand it over to ITU control? :-)
> 
> The Internet was designed from the outset to work around breakage. Packet
> fragmentation issues will always be with us unfortunately. The networks which
> have these problems will fix them: Darwinism will take care of that eventually.
> Until then everyone else just has to work around them or ignore their
> brokenness. 'coz that's how it works.
> 
> We (for some definition of we) might come up with some tools to help identify
> the problem or do some outreach and education to help mend these broken
> networks. However I am sceptical those sort of things will be successful. After
> all we still have nets, servers and middleboxes that can't/won't handle EDNS
> correctly or assume that DNS packets only ever go over UDP and are always <
> 512 bytes.

v2.23.0 | Report a Bug | By Email