Re: [DNSOP] draft-lewis-domain-names-00.txt

Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@nic.fr> Mon, 21 September 2015 15:20 UTC

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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 17:20:18 +0200
From: Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@nic.fr>
To: Joe Abley <jabley@hopcount.ca>
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] draft-lewis-domain-names-00.txt
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On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 12:19:26PM -0400,
 Joe Abley <jabley@hopcount.ca> wrote 
 a message of 111 lines which said:

> Whether or not we should call an onion or mdns name a "domain name"
> or something else is just a detail. I don't think agreeing on the
> answer is going to solve any of the problems that we actually have.

I disagree. RFCs are written with words and discussions at the IETF or
elsewhere use words. Agreeing on the "right" words is important. Words
are not innocent. (Refusing to call .onion names "domain names" was
also a way to refuse the registration of .onion.)

To quote Camus <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Camus>, "Naming
things badly adds to the misfortune of the world"