Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Re: New draft for helping browsers use the DoH server associated with a resolver

Paul Vixie <vixie@fsi.io> Sat, 25 August 2018 17:39 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Re: New draft for helping browsers use the DoH server associated with a resolver
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everyone, please listen.

On Saturday, August 25, 2018 8:12:27 AM UTC Vittorio Bertola wrote:
> ...
> In the end, the policy of having your names resolved by default by a local
> server on your access network, while leaving you free to configure a
> different resolver that you find out-of-band if you want to, emerged over
> 30 years because it makes a lot of sense. I still have to hear a compelling
> technical or policy reason for the attempt to change this default and turn
> DNS resolution into yet another over-the-top service subject to global
> competition and market consolidation, other than "there are some big
> companies that would like to resolve the names for the whole world because
> they can gain from the data they would gather". 

+1.

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Vixie