[DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-internal-tld
Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Thu, 01 May 2025 21:45 UTC
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From: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>
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Subject: [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-internal-tld
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Okay, but if they are not going to the authoritative servers to get the chain of trust, they are going to the local full-service resolver or some public third-party resolver. And so if there is an insecure delegation, that resolver can make up an answer, and it will “validate” correctly as insecure. But if the delegation is securely denied, that can’t happen. That’s why it’s important for there to be an insecure delegation to a black hole name server. On Thu, May 1, 2025, at 5:05 PM, Joe Abley wrote: > On 1 May 2025, at 22:57, Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> wrote: > > > If validating stubresolvers all go to the root, we get no benefit from caching. That seems bad if at some point they become commonplace, although of course it’s fine now. > > I think validating stub resolvers need to go to the root in a namespace sense. They need to retrieve sufficient generations of parental data to be able to validate an RRSet attached to a child. This data might well be cached at a node in the resolver graph close to the stub. > > I don't think validating stub resolvers need to send queries to root servers. > > I think we are overloading the word "root" and the result is some mild confusion. > > > Joe
- [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-davies-internal-… Benno Overeinder
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Loganaden Velvindron
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Wessels, Duane
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Manu Bretelle
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Karim Attoumani Mohamed
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Geoff Huston
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… S Moonesamy
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Benno Overeinder
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… tojens.ietf
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Warren Kumari
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Petr Špaček
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… David Conrad
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… David Conrad
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… Jim Reid
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… Ben Schwartz
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Wessels, Duane
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… Jim Reid
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… Jim Reid
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… Karl Dyson
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Shumon Huque
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Karl Dyson
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Wessels, Duane
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Peter Thomassen
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… John R Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… John R Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… John R Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Andrew McConachie
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Petr Špaček
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Jim Reid
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… S Moonesamy
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Kim Davies
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Dave Lawrence
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Michael De Roover
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Peter Thomassen
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP[Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Ted Lemon
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Ted Lemon
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Ted Lemon
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… Roy Arends
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… David Conrad
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… Ben Schwartz
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Roy Arends
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… Roy Arends
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Michael De Roover
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… Ben Schwartz
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Petr Špaček
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Ado… Suzanne Woolf
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… David Conrad
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… Ted Lemon
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… Suzanne Woolf
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Andrew McConachie
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Mark Andrews
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Andrew McConachie
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Mark Andrews
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Peter Thomassen
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPCall for Adoption: draft-davies-… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Ted Lemon
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Warren Kumari
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… Michael De Roover
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… David Conrad
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… David Conrad
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Jim Reid
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… Petr Špaček
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… David Conrad
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… Karl Dyson
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Michael De Roover
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Wessels, Duane
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP[Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… John R Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Kevin P. Fleming
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Ted Lemon
- [DNSOP] Re: what problem are we trying to solve, … John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: what problem are we trying … Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Adoption: dra… John R Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Ado… Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Libor Peltan
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: what problem are we trying … Mark Andrews
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Ted Lemon
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: what problem are we trying … Ted Lemon
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Geoff Huston
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Shumon Huque
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Mark Andrews
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Michael De Roover
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Ted Lemon
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… Andrew Sullivan
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Peter Thomassen
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Michael De Roover
- [DNSOP] Re: what problem are we trying to solve, … John R Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… John R Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Michael De Roover
- [DNSOP] Re: what problem are we trying to solve, … Ted Lemon
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… John R Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… Ted Lemon
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Michael De Roover
- [DNSOP] Re: what problem are we trying to solve, … Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: what problem are we trying … Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-davies-inter… Benno Overeinder
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: what problem are we trying … Petr Špaček
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: what problem are we trying … Ted Lemon
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Mark Andrews
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: what problem are we trying … Ted Lemon
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: what problem are we trying … John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Jim Reid
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: what problem are we trying … Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Mark Andrews
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: what problem are we trying … Ted Lemon
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: what problem are we trying … Petr Špaček
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: what problem are we trying … John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: what problem are we trying … Mark Andrews
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: what problem are we trying … John R Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: what problem are we trying … Mark Andrews
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… Ben Schwartz
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: what problem are we trying … Benno Overeinder
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: what problem are we trying … Brian Dickson
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Call for Ado… Petr Špaček
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Re: Call for Adoption: draft-da… Ted Lemon