Re: [DNSOP] Clarifying referrals (#35)

Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com> Wed, 29 November 2017 14:08 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Clarifying referrals (#35)
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On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 01:55:29PM +0000, P Vix wrote:
> Please do not write anything that blurs or softens the clear language of downwards-ness in 1034. If you can't keep the clear spirit and intent of the existing document then please write nothing at all.
>

I don't believe 1034 is anywhere near as clear as you are insisting it
is; and the empirical evidence of that lack of clarity is the very
thing you feel the need to recant.  If the WG believes otherwise, then
I think it is free to write the definition as it wishes, but only if
it removes me as an editor of the terminology document.

I do wish to make the definition clear, and I have no complaint where
the definition might note that not every operator agrees about
providing upward referrals (the text proffered already says that, I
think).  But I shall not include a change to the definition of
referrals such that upward referrals are defined away.  They exist,
today, all over the Internet, and it would be extremely foolish
lexicography to attempt to hide that.

Best regards,

A

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